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Topic: THX...friend, foe or lazy uncle?
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Joe Redifer
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posted 05-30-1999 01:08 AM
Ahh THX. I remember when that meant something. Going to a THX theatre meant that you could not find a better presentation of picture and especially sound anywhere else. But now it is just a marketing scheme at best, and a rip off at worst. THX made a name for itself, er, EARNED a name for itself standardizing quality in exhibition. I applaud everything they have done for their first 10 years. There is no doubt that what they have done improved the industry by leaps and bounds. But then the hype began to fade as did the quality control. Now upon visiting a brand new theatre here in Colorado with every single screen THX certified, you are treated to low, unbalanced sound, unintelligible dialog, a dim picture, and overall a horrible presentation. What has THX come to? Put simply, THX doesn't mean anything anymore. I began noticing THX's descent when the Mann Bowles Crossing 12 opened up in Colorado...every screen THX. The Mann tech EQ'd the sound before the THX guy arrived on scene, and the reports are that it sounded absolutely incredible! But then the THX guy arrived and re-EQ'd everything. He lowered the surround levels to a whisper, you could hear the projector behind you and the projectionist talking or even threading leader VERY clearly, and you would swear that they forgot to install the subwoofers. It was bad. And not only that, but no 2 auditoriums in the complex sounded alike. They all had their goofy twirks. Eventually the Mann tech would fix some of the more serious problems in the EQ, but what does this say for THX now? At several newer UA theatres, the non-THX houses sound much BETTER than the certified houses. At the last THX installation for UA (the Denver West) the sound was so bad in the THX houses that UA stopped doing THX altogether. It wasn't just that, though...UA felt they weren't getting their $$$ worth with THX. It didn't bring in audiences anymore. THX must be hurting. Now they "certify" LaserDiscs, VHS videotapes and DVDs that look and sound no better (but sometimes worse) than normal LD's, tapes, and DVDs. Obviously they are doing this for additional revenue because the exhibition gig just ain't payin' the bills anymore. I wonder why. Now THX is saying that they WILL certify digital masters of movies to be released and exhibited via digital projection. As if it is a requirement for the format. The last good thing they did/helped out with that I applaud is Dolby Digital EX, which in itself is not phenomenal, but it is kinda cool. Now I am not saying that all THX theatres suck. Many (probably most) are incredibly good. But they no longer offer any kind of advantage. In my personal opinion, THX would rather just sit back and collect the cash than do anything constructive. They have had their time in the spotlight making the industry better, but now maybe it is time to merge with a company like Dolby or something. But their sound trailers are the best, I must admit to that! That would be cool. I'd love to hear other peoples' opinions on this!
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Anonymous
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posted 05-30-1999 01:09 AM
I wish T.H.X. would start checking up on their theatres once inawhile. I know of several that have horrible sound. No bass whatsoever and the treble is weak. And I think that a T.H.X. theatre should be required to have digital sound nowadays. There is still T.H.X. theatres that are still playing with plain dolby stereo and not even SR. I agree with you that in the 80s that T.H.X. really meant something,but now it just means you get to see the little fix it guy fly around the screen before the feature. There used to be some really good sounding theatres that had T.H.X. and it is ashamed Lucasfilm has sold out to anyone who will pay them a buck for their name. Sorry for posting this anonymous, but I guess deep down I still have some respect for what T.H.X. used to be.
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Frankie Angel
Film Handler
Posts: 6
From: Brooklkyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 12-04-1999 12:23 PM
We are doing some major renovation in our large theatre (2450 seats). Since it is not just a movie theatre but a full stage, live performance theatre also, the architechs that were hired are not specifically cinema architechs. It is my job to move them in directions that will satisfy the motion picture presentation needs. I have been trying to get THX to send me their specifications, especially regarding the frequency response and sound pressure level that THX certified cinemas need to be able to reach. I want to be able to say to the designers, I don't care what you do for live show sound, for cinema we need to be able get a sound pressure of 125db from 20 to 20 with a rolloff from 8K at such and such per octave with such and such amount distortion. THX sent me EVERYTHING else....air conditioning noise baffle charts, slope drawings, wall construction plans, everything but what I would think would be the simplest starting point for any sound system....the audio bandwidth and sound pressure levels it needs to reproduce. Does anyone know of any literature where these specs can be found? I mean besides THX since they keep telling me they don't have those specs. Also, does anyone know if THX has eliminated their original spec for point-of-sound surround speakers. Years ago when they first started and published an article in the SMPTE Journal, I read they prefered that the surrounds NOT be multiple wall speakers but point-of-source speaker systems in both corners of the theatre. In fact, I designed our surround based on that preference. We have JBL dual woofer/90 degree HF compression horns in each corner of the theatre and multiple smaller speakers in the center of the rear wall that I used to fill in the center orchestra (luckily now I can use them for the center surround). But I no longer see any reference to corner p-o-s surrounds, and what's more, I think mine is the only theatre I have ever seen with this configuration, except for the Zigfeld in NYC which had them for a time but I believe now has gone back to multiple side speakers. Another theatre I work at has a dozen multiple speaker built in the ceiling for the surround channel. Very weird. ------------------ Frank Angel, Brooklyn Center Cinema www.BrooklynCenter.com
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-04-1999 08:43 PM
Definitely! If the "THX engineer" comes out with his R2, sets up, calibrates, and leaves...there's really something wrong. B-chaining always requires listening and in most cases fine tweeking by ear to get truly great sound. Besides, depending on the size of the auditorium and the acoustics will determine the slope of the rolloff. Plus the speakers utilized and placement will affect just how flat the final eq should be on the analyzer to get a good overall sound. Being able to distinguish the frequency of an offending frequency is extremely important. If a sound engineer can't do that, then he'll never have any really outstanding auditoriums.Also, might I add the continuing problem of people "over-eqing"! Show me an auditorium that has a perfectly flat line on the RTA and I'll show you an auditorium that sounds bad. Cutting frequencies should be done as needed but boosting frequencies should be reserved for when absolutely necessary. One last point, a "digital" eq does not really mean frequencies are perfectly limited to that control. There is leakage same as is in analog eq cards. I've seen B-chains where the controls were up and down and up and down and up and down. Needless to say the sound was less than adequate. I see this happen all the time on SDDS machines in particular "because it's a digital eq, blah, blah, blah..."
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