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Topic: SPECO platters
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Aaron Mehonic
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posted 05-30-1999 02:41 AM
My employers recently added two new auditoriums making our multiplex now nine screens. They have bought rebuilt Simplex X-L projector heads, Simplex 5-Star sound heads, and brand new Kniesly Kni-Tron Lamphouses (great choices in my opinion!). However, the one thing that bothers me and another projectionist the most is the choice of two SPECO Platters for these screens. I find they run more smoothly than Neumade Platters, and yes, they do eliminate any worry of brain wraps, but if a large bulge of film caused by static is too close to the brain at start-up, its hell trying to get it to feed out as well as stay on. Furthermore, I think the make up tables are terrible in design. An old manager who has moved on to another company thinks we're crazy for feeling this way. What are your opinions? Thanks.
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Joe Redifer
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posted 05-30-1999 02:41 AM
I don't like SPECO platters. But they sure are about 10 to 20 times better than the Neumades! In my opinion, SPECOs look cheap just sitting there. Many of the ones I've seen are really ugly, as if colored by a child or something. I have seen and heard many horror stories about older SPECOs damaging film. In my opinion (and others may disagree), there are only two worthwhile platters on the market. The Christie AW3 and the Strong Alpha phase control. The Christie is a good platter, but in order to get it to work even acceptably, you must be willing to tweak the hell out of it. They are extremely finicky and if you are even a hair off (or less) on the settings, it won't perform as it should. You must also take apart the platter and re-adjust the springs to get it to work worth a damn. Out of the box, though, they are useless. The Strong Alpha is a good platter as well, but it is extremely noisy and it has "fan blades" underneath each disc that can create a whirlwind when tearing down a print. This doesn't affect the film that is running, because the platter is so slow to respond to any kind of payout movement that it just keeps spinning merrily along. The film drags at startup on these platters, but the brain has rollers around it so it does not scratch the film. Also, the platters are very film-friendly. I have seen film loaded from a 6000' reel onto the platter with the roller of the make-up table nearly an inch lower than the spinning disc itself, and of course the film was rubbing the ege of the spinning deck. Since the platter is made out of whatever material it is made out of, the print was not at all scratched. Also, even if you use film clamps a lot, it is very hard to put a noticable scratch in the Strong. But these platters will make horrible, loud rattling noises straight out of the box, since the discs are so light. I have never seen a print be thrown from one of these, and I don't know if it could be done without human interference.
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Brad Miller
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posted 05-30-1999 02:42 AM
Christie AW3s are clearly the best! Two points, one is Joe is right...straight out of the shipping box these things are useless. You will not find any good support for these machines from anyone at Christie. The last theater I opened had a Christie rep and he personally set them up...they were slinging prints all over the place! Second, I understand Christie is now starting to make a different type of payout control on their latest version of platters. This I do not understand. Why fix perfection? I have faith it will not be as good. Thus, I am not sure if I will recommend any of the "new" AW3 units until I have had a chance to work with them. As to Strongs, I hate them. They are the only platter that must be within about 5 feet of the projector or the weight of the film itself will cause the feed to over-feed and drag the film onto the floor during operation! What crap. I also don't like the extra small rollers. Too much tension. And their elevator...why not make it a little taller so it doesn't slam to the top throwing all the rollers out of alignment? Check out their center ring. Could they possibly make it any smaller? The startup speed is way too fast because of this. And finally, there is no provision for adjusting the final takeup roller onto the platter. As they come from the factory they are TOO CLOSE and about half of them put those annoying platter scratches on film. This is a really bad design, which in all fairness "could" be made to be a decent design. SPECO platters are my second choice a far as proper handling of film. They are not without their own problems, though. First, the new removable brain is a great idea, but what a pain to thread! Also there is too little tension on payout with the removables. Their center rings are easily bent during print moving. They really must work on that. The later elevator takeup design (with 3 rollers on top instead of two) was my idea to a fellow at Cinemark, and he took the credit for it. Unfortunately, he did not explain the EXACT modification to SPECO when he took my idea. Their execution of the modifications was lousy. Now the new rollers like to "sing" like a tuning fork during the show and it is more difficult to thread around them since all three are now side by side. The SPECOS also have the fan blades under the platter like Joe mentioned, so beware of breaking down on any but the bottom platter while running a show. Just go out and find you a pre-1999 Christie AW3 and make the modifications explained in "platter tweeking" on this site.
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Joe Redifer
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posted 05-30-1999 02:42 AM
Point 1-- Christie's new design of the payout, from what I have been told, is just the inclusion of a metal grounded center roller in the brain. Also they somehow include a feedsafe device. But this does not seem to affect the threading. Who was the Christie rep who set up the platters at the theatre you were talking about? When Christie was at my theatre, they couldn't even thread their own projectors/platters correctly! The film would have been majorly damaged if I hadn't corrected it! Point 2-- As I mentioned before, I have seen film loaded onto a Strong with the roller nearly and inch or so below the deck. No scratches. And we had several platters (all STRONG alpha phase control) that were at least 10 feet from the projector because we had to slide a Hughes/JVC video projector in there almost everyday. The film never touched the floor. The film also never slides off of the rollers like a Christie does when the movie drops. You must have worked with some crappy versions that had been knocked around during the shipping process or something!
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Ken Layton
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posted 05-30-1999 02:43 AM
I don't like the SPECO platters either, especially the older ones with the non-removable centerfeeds---the ones that sit about a half inch lower than the deck. Sure the Christie AW-3 is ok, but requires tweaking to get it working well. In my opinion, the STRONG/POTTS Alpha series platter is the best and most reliable. True it is a bit on the noisy side, but they run well and treat the film ok. I haven't had much static electricity problems with the Strongs either. The PHASE CONTROL centerfeed runs well, but if one goes bad, Strong wants you to throw that $250. part in the trash and buy a new one. They will not release any schematics or repair parts for the Phase Control board. I have drawn my own schematic for it. There are only 3 parts that I have been seeing fail on the board. The S4015L isolated tab SCR will short causing platter motor to go full ON with no control. The LM334Z adjustable current source will cause slow motor speed or weak motor torque. The 10 ampere pico fuse will blow causing a totally dead condition. Also, if you remove the phase control from the control plate, be sure to reconnect the red and blue wires to the proper terminals or it won't work! The parts I mentioned don't cost much at all and are worth buying for spares to repair these boards should something happen on a busy weekend.
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Brad Miller
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posted 05-30-1999 02:43 AM
Send the schematic over and I will post it for all Strong owners out there.
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Dave Cutler
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Centennial, CO
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 11:38 AM
I guess I am not very picky when it comes to platter design, but I haven't found one that I really hated.I like the arm under the platter for the rewind platter better than the yo-yo design however, but they both work. The arm design seems to rewind a tighter print, and I like that. The only thing that really bothers me with any of the platter systems are their MUT's. I absolutely HATE the SPECO table, and I really dislike the Chritie MUT. The best MUT design would go to Strong in my book. The tension spring is a great feature. I don't like MUT's that mount the reels on the side. I find it easier to use a MUT that mounts reel on its top. And frankly the Christie MUT is slower than molases in January (not every location has platter reels). You can go platter a print or tear it down a lot faster than the Christie goes and still not damage the film. I have experience with SPECO, Strong (older and newer), Christie and Neumade (XeTron) platter systems. There are advantages and disadvantages to each system.
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