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Topic: Projector upgrades?
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Greg Mueller
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1687
From: Port Gamble, WA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-28-1999 08:30 PM
Because of the rate at which new processors are invented and the old ones become obsolete and unsupported, I was wondering, what is a theater owner to do when their $100K + whizbang digital projector becomes obsolete in 2 or 3 years. It's one thing to add new sound gimics as they are invented, but to have to replace the whole gizmo...? Seems like the theater owner's piece of the pie is small enough as it is without having to buy new computerized projectors every couple of years. Also I was wondering about these nanomirrors that cut-off or pass the pixels as needed. Being an amateur astronomer I know that because of corrosion from atmospheric effects, mirrors must be stripped and realuminized every 3 to 5 years. How do you realuminize a nanomirror? I know that new technology has a very strong appeal and begs to be put to use by the inventive mind, but the reoccuring question is, just because we have the technology must we employ it? i.e., We have nuclear weapons capable of destroying the Earth, must we then destroy the Earth? Granted this is a bit extreme, but the question remains (to me) we have a system that works perfectly well and has for many years. It is not broke, why must we fix it?
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Aaron Mehocic
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 804
From: New Castle, PA, USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-29-1999 12:55 AM
Well I've sat patient on this subject long enough, but now I'll tell you what I think. I believe film will be obsolete within the next 20 years. Although many of you will think I'm crazy and say I believe in conspiracy theories, here is how it will happen if it is going to happen. How many of you older folks remember being in high school and the teachers showing 16mm films on subjects ranging from the Battle of Gettysburg to proper sexual tecniques? Now fast forward (no pun intended) to the 1990's. Everything of this sort is now on video. Kids today don't even know what a 16mm projector looks like. I know, I teach sometimes. OK, you say, big deal a TV/VCR set up is a couple of hundred bucks tops and most schools can afford that with no raise in taxes anyway, right? Right! But know this: That school is getting those TV/VCR combos absolutely free because Advertisers realized about seven years ago that school kids are a captive audience and if we can show them a 10 minute news broadcast geared toward them at some point in the school day, followed up by a few minutes of commercials for stuff like Moutain Dew and Cinnaburst Gum, profit margins for these products will go up. Those advertizers then got together with executives at ABC, created this bullshit news program called "Channel One", and seven years later, almost every school in the country (and there is a hell of a lot) is subscribing to this program to get free AV equipment, TV's, VCR's, computer software, the whole nine yards! All the school is required to do to get this stuff is to let the kids watch those commercials. The cost in doing this must be incredible, but its happening! Now if your still reading this and saying "but what does this have to do with me?", well, I'll tell you. Studios will not want to foot the bill for digital projection, and we know the exibitors don't want to do this either, so they'll compromise. They will use this 'captive audience' crap to get advertizers to pay for their new toys. And the saddest part is these idiots in the New York and Los Angeles ad agencies will think their getting the deal of the third millenium. The studios will turn movies into two hour commercials. They will write scripts that promote products, restaurants, and places ten times more than what we see now (I'm speaking in particularly of the Taco Bell scene from Sylvester Stallone's "Demolition Man"). Exibitors will then try to chuck their slide contracts with guys like Coke or Pepsi, claiming they and their subsideries get enough play time in the actual film, and go to finding more and more folks to advertise locally in the newly available spots on the carrosel. In the end, everybody is happy, right? Well, until ten years later when every company, group, small business, and even person who bought into this digital cinema crap realizes they've just been SCREWED!!!!! Who should we pin the blame on? Isn't that the American way? Well, some will say it is the studios. Others will say it is the exibitors. Still others will say it is those groups who advertize. In this case, everyone is right and everyone is wrong. We have reached this point together as a nation that loves movies and technology as much as the SUV's and shopping malls. A classic case of you can't have your pie and eat it too. In our lust for one, we will destry the sanctity of another. You may disagree (I think many will), but remember, the studios want it, the exibitors think its worth it, and the ad execs need it. Just like the switch of the wagon maker to the autoworker in the early 1900's, so will we see the switch of the film projectionist to the "video guy" in the early 2000's. That will be the utimate disgrace for a proud a noble profession.
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Stephen Winner
Film Handler
Posts: 57
From: Richmond,VA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 07-28-1999 10:27 PM
As sad as it may be, I think you are right on film being replaced by video! With high-definition coming out and high-brightness LCD projectors, film may become obslete in 1st run theatres.My opinion on the picture quality of film though still stands...it's the BEST, I don't care how fancy technology gets, film still delivers the best picture no if's and's or butts! But remember though, front wheel drive in automobiles was touted as "better" than rear drive, and most people don't care. The biggest advantage in front-drive is cheaper manufacturing cost, not in handling! Same goes for video formats, they are cheaper, and easier to use, but definitley not higher an quality. ....I love the looks on peoples' faces when I tell them my movie theater has a fully functional pipe organ!
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Randy Stankey
Film God
Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 07-28-1999 10:59 PM
Two things:1) I don't know of any video display technology that can even come close to film. I don't know exactly, but isn't the resolution of film somwhere in the 10's of Microns range? I don't even think nanomirrors can get that small. (Some of the experts out there will be able to answer that question better than I can.) Furthermore, even when you can see the film grain on the screen, the grains are "Moving" on the screen and your eye can't perceive them unless you look. (Or unless the director makes the film grainy like 'Eyes Wide Shut'.) With video, you'll have the pixels always in the same place. This causes all sorts of goofy things like alialing where diagonal lines look jagged. I know most people don't notice but it drives me crazy. (Okay, a short walk.) 2) Obsolecense! -- How many people have old Apple ][ computers in their closets collecting dust. Not only are those computers useless, nowadays you can't get software to run on them and anything you stored in the past is now inaccessible by modern computers. (How many iMacs or Pentium clones have a 5.25 inch disk drive?) If you stored any important information on that old computer you're screwed if you ever have to read it again!
There was a really interesting article in "Scientific American" magazine on this subject about a year or two ago. It said that todays computers would be obsolete in 50 years and any data on them would be inaccessible. WE STILL HAVE 100 YEAR OLD FILMS AND THEY CAN STILL BE PLAYED ON (ALMOST) ANY MODREN MOVIE PROJECTOR. -- Not so for video. Video tapes will last in perfect storage conditions for an average of 10-20 years! That goes for almost any magnetic medium. Those digital video "prints" of Star Wars won't be around in the year 2099, I bet. The final thing that p*sses me off is the use of "film" and "projector" logos on TV movies and stuff. *I* think there ought to be a rule that if any exhibitor or studio goes all digital, they ought to be prohibited from using ANY images of 'old' film equipment in any way, shape or form. Regal would have to take that reel of film out of their logo, etc. That "cheezy-cool" old policy trailer that General Cinema used to have way back in the 70's would be unusable too. -- You know, the projector with the letters that came crawling out..... (Sing the cheezy music here!) Only theatres that still use film would be allowed to use it.
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