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Topic: optical stereo from a Holmes?
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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 07-11-1999 12:56 AM
When I was in 35 professionally, it was at a drive-in that had 20 year old equipment. That was 1975-1979. Here's the question: IF I install a pair of solar cells side-by-side in my Holmes so each will see only one stripe of the dual soundtracks will I have a simple stereo sound system?I have several stereo prints, and trailers. Also I have plenty of time on my hands to experiment. What do you folks think? Bruce Asheville, NC
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 07-11-1999 02:13 PM
"Technically" yes, but fair warning the sound will probably not be too good if you are home constructing it. I can't imagine how that could be mounted in a variety of projectors and actually work properly.I've never worked with a Holmes, but if you call your local cinema parts supply dealer they might have an actual solar cell and bracket assembly for around $100-150 you could just pop in and then do an A-chain on. Better yet, if you can afford it, go with a reverse scanning LED kit. Although I doubt Kelmar or Component Engineering has gotten to the Holmes projector kits yet. The $100-150 kit would be well worth your time and frustration in trying to figure out how to home make a stereo pickup. ASCs number in Dallas is 214/265-9303. Roy Lisenbee is the man to talk to at extension 822. If it's out there, he can order it for you.
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Bruce McGee
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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
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posted 07-11-1999 09:42 PM
The current cell is mounted in a 4-pin tube socket, and is in the exact position that the old PE cell was. There is nearly 1 3/4" of space between the film sound gate, and the face of the cell. I can remove the cell cover and remove the solar cell from the socket, and put a piece of white paper in there while film is running. I can clearly see the 2 tracks on the paper. I started wondering about this when I ran my first stereo print on the Holmes. It sounded like I was hearing an out of phase recording. When I adjusted the solar cell position more to the center between the 2 tracks, I noticed how the fidelity changed for the better. This machine was in pieces when I got it. I found that I could use an 1156 auto lamp, and a 12v DC supply for the exciter. I have run about 30 hours of film on it without blowing a lamp. The DC supply handles the hum in the filament perfectly. The solar cell came from a junked Eiki 16 machine. I used an SMPTE audio test film that I found on the net to focus the optics. Having good results so far. There's more than enough room for 2 cells installed side by side. Is the left channel on the sprocket side of the soundtrack? Is it obvious that I am on a major "restricted" budget? I am the owner of a 250 watt tube power amp that is in Newport News, VA, but I have no way to get it here to western NC except to drive 7 hours. My job requires too much time for a trip... I appreciate your sharing of knowledge and your help. Now, if I had 2 running Holmes... Just a dream for now. Bruce McGee
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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!
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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 07-12-1999 12:22 PM
Bruce:You can get the solar cell unit ( with a bracket, though as others have said I doubt you'll find one that will drop-in to a Holmes) from any cinema equipment dealer. Another point to consider is that these cells will be going to be positioned close ( within about 1mm) to the film so the cells-in-an-old-phototube-socket trick won't really work (the cells themselves are quite small). You might have to get a different slit lens for your soundhead if yours has a large slit in it. The ones with smaller slit sizes give MUCH better sound quality. You will need a basic set of Dolby test films to get the alignment spot-on as well ( you can 'wing it' for this but I have found that to get it truly right the first time, the test films are necessary. These films are also available from a cinema dealer.) Good Luck! Aaron
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Bruce McGee
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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 07-17-1999 01:54 PM
I have received the Solar cell. I have to install it right up against the film at the slit? This may be a major problem as the Holmes doesent have a per-say sound drum like you guys are used to.I figured out the wiring fast enough. But, I mayhave to go with the twin cells installed inside the old PEC enclosure similar to what I have now. I would like to thank Brad Miller for sending this cell assembly to me. I will keep thinking about how I can do this using this cell. Right now, all I can come up with is the 2nd cell beside the one I have. I need to ask one more time: Is the left channel on the left side of the soundtrack on the sprocket hole side? More News to Come, if anybody is still interested... Bruce McGee I had a chance to get a Super for good money a few months ago. I should have taken it.
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