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Topic: More Important Q? First movie you wrecked?
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-21-1999 05:53 PM
How odd! With South Park clocking in at under 90 minutes, there isn't even a need to secure the tail. Usually it's the longer movies like Titanic and anything by Kevin Costner that have problems such as this.What type of platters are you two guys using? My first problem was over 10 years after running projectors with no accidents/disasters. It was on Titanic. The film had been out for about 2 months and was already completely trashed by the time I transferred to this theater. The last 3 reels went flying off the platter like a frisbee some 20 feet away on my first shift, the first show. Turned out the platters were timed to a ludicrous 55RPM!!! (Needless to say, there was a full recalibration of the speeds that first evening after the accident.)
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Johanna Innes
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From: Formerly of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-21-1999 06:52 PM
I managed to ruin There's Something About Mary. I know how it happened (and truthfully, it wasn't really my fault, it just happened on my shift), I just don't understand the physics of it all. Read on and I'll try to explain... The movie was running on our antiquated Vic 8 (w/ Strong platters), which at the time was having brain wrap problems constantly (because of the static in our booth, and a brain that worked when it felt like it). Anyway, the movie wrapped to the point where there was a good 3/4" of film wrapped around the brain. Then the film spewed out all over the floor, from both the inside and outside of the movie. Myself and another projectionist spent forever trying to rebuild the print. We took it off the platter, and wound it onto 36" reels using the makeup table. We lost a good 10-15 minutes of the movie, out of two or three different scenes, and of course the print was liberally covered in dirt from the floor. Now here's the real mystery: we were winding film onto the reel out of the middle of what used to be on the platter. Then there was a break in the film. We went looking for the other end of the break, and found it coming off the outside of the film. I don't understand how that's even possible. I think we broke the laws of physics that night. The sad thing is that we ran that print for another few weeks, given that we're a 3rd run house, and nobody was willing to sign off on the expense of getting us a new copy. And did I mention that our booth is carpeted (causing our chronic static problems) and nobody will pay to get it ripped out? Sigh.
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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 11-21-1999 07:03 PM
While I have never 'wrecked' a film, I have been Very Unkind to Film. The first, and probably biggest disaster I ever had was running, "The Competition." It's about two people competing in a high brow piano contest, and you don't know who wins until the very end. There were two projection rooms, and I was in the wrong one when, only seconds before the winner was revealed, the projector stops because of a massive platter-wrap. While straighting it out was a major job, the patrons (600 of em') were almost out of control. They did not want refunds, passes, or anything except the film, and they wanted it right now.
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Erick Ojeda
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From: Vineland, NJ
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-21-1999 07:12 PM
Johanna: You pointed something out that I have thought about for a while. My booth is also carpeted, and we do get static problems every so often. What winds up happening is the film wrapping around the brain in either spiral fashion (have to cut and resplice the film while winding it back onto the platter) or the film just circles around the brian really tight (I free-wheel the platter, spin the platter backwards, make sure everything is working in good order, turn the projector on, and keep on spinning backwards until the film is back in good order. I put the platter back to its original state and put it on takeout) Now, I visited a few theaters in Florida with tile floored booths, and they told me that ever since they opened, they never had a brain wrap. My question to all is, are tile floored booths better than carpeted booth due to static problems? Erick Ojeda
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Michael Cunningham
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 186
From: Anchorage, AK
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 11-21-1999 10:41 PM
Johanna, What probably happened is the same thing described in the last post, namely, the ring of film got twisted inside out. This can happen on film drops and strange wrap situations. As for my worst treating of film, it would have to be "Braveheart". I am diabetic and when I haven't eaten in a while I can get very spacey. At closing one evening I, for some unknown reason, decided that the print had to be moved. I then attempted to do it by myself with clamps. For those of you who remember this print, you know this is impossible! Anyway, the whole thing came apart into about 25 rings of film, some twisted inside out. After grabbing a quick meal, I reassembled the entire print by cutting it into sequential sections and numbering them. By spinning a 2000 reel in the center of each loop, I was able to take up each section, reverse it on the rewind table and then load it back onto the platter piece by piece. It actually didn't look all that bad when next run, amazingly enough. I'm just glad this happened at closing as it took until 5AM to finish!! Mike
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Mike Bianchi
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From: Independence, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 11-21-1999 10:48 PM
Heartbreak RidgeThe final pad roller in the sound head (SH-1000) didn't close firmly onto the sproket. I was newly thrown into the Academy Drive-In in Mason, Ohio and had the typical crash course you've all described ("thread it and turn everything off at the end of the night"). I digress. It was a manager-operator DI and I was at the box-office doing check out. I returned to the booth to discover the film on the platter but oddly uneven looking and a huge pile of film on the floor by the projector - but only the sproket hole side. When a splice went through, it jumped off the sprockets and they perforated the film between the sprocket holes. Then, it tore away on the roller after the failsafe arms, so they didn't fall. It was nearly two reels destroyed. A tech was at the theatre the next day, he gave it all a once-over and spent the rest of the day showing me things to do and look for. If only the company (National Amusements) had simply done that first...
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Erika Hellgren
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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 11-22-1999 02:54 AM
Dennis the Menace.Beleive it or not, I wasn't even a projectionist at the time. I was working as a supervisor downstairs, and for some reason the booth guys went home early one Thursday night, and I had to move prints with another supervisor who claimed that she knew what she was doing. I had never moved a print before, and she assured me that all I had to do was hold the outside edge of the film (as opposed to holding your arms under the print and curling your fingers around the ring). This worked fine for a couple prints that we moved, but the first loose print that we attempted - Dennis the Menace - dribbled onto the floor. I was pretty freaked out. A manager helped us put it back together, but it took a few hours. Hard to believe I had the guts to ever work in a booth after that experience. Oh, and about the static thing: I worked in a booth with carpet, and we NEVER had static problems. I now work in a booth with concrete floors (no tile or carpet), and we have a few static problems (quickly solved with FilmGuard). You can draw your own conclusions about that. <<shrug>>
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-22-1999 04:25 AM
The first movie I ever wrecked was The Fugitive! My thread was just fine and dandy and everything was running great! I was an assistant manager at the time, so I was in the office doing all of that assistant manager crap when someone knocked on my door. They told me that "the film had melted and the movie had gone away 15 minutes ago"!!!! I had NEVER heard of a problem like this! I was told that film breaks, dropping the failsafes and setting off the alarm. I had seen this happen on a few other people's threads before this. I got up there to find the last 20 minutes or so of the movie hanging off of the platter (still spinning) and the projector still running chewing up the film still inside of it. It was if somebody from above sent me a huge sign saying "WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF POLYESTER FILM!" Another assistant went downstairs, refunded the show and told everybody how the movie ends. It took awhile to repair the film, and we lost quite a bit of footage. I'm sure that everybody behind this fantastic new style of film were all sitting warm and cozy at home, laughing it up "My my, what a tangled polyester mess we weave. Ha ha!"Since then, the Gods have invaded the industry and every film in it with polyester film stock. The Gods were not interested in exhibition quality, oh no, they were interested only in the bottom line. The Gods are truly unwise.
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