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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 12-21-1999 02:05 PM
For myself, I like to make-up at the rewind table just because it's higher, and I don't have to bend over. (Hey, I'm old; what am I gonna do!) The rewind table has a larger work surface to hold the splicer, tape, cues, etc. Whenever you load a film onto a platter (with a make-up table), the film wants to slip off the rollers ('cause it bends and twists) when you stop and there's no tension on the film. You have to watch that the film sits in all the rollers when starting to load a reel- which would be only twice for 6000 ft reel rather than every single 20min reel. It's easier to go backwards if you notice a bad spot, at least if you have a reversing rewind table.
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John Walsh
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posted 12-21-1999 09:51 PM
The rewind table I'm using now is a newer Nuemade model (I don't know the model number.) It is all electronic. I can reverse direction with one switch. There are two other switchs next to each spindle- flipping those tells the table which direction the film is comming off the reel. This sets the proper tensioning. Also- an auto-shutoff, and a feature where you must turn the speed control to "0" before it will start. Removable spindles.... it's nice, but...I used to work in a place with a Kelmar table, which although simpler, I liked better. The table was a little higher and wider (spindles were 4ft apart as opposed to the Nuemade at 3ft.) Reel locks (to hold the reels on the spindles) were not needed, because the spindles were tilted up slightly. So, you never had a reel wobble off onto the floor. Later models were reversable and had a flush mounted surface light for splicing. No fancy electronics, just a variac and rectifier driving DC motors. You could fix it yourself, with parts down at the local electric store. (Real cheap tables with AC motors don't run smoothly at low speeds.) It had an autoshut off arm with a roller that was a little hard on the film, but I never left film alone while rewinding, so didn't use it. There was a 'blank' mounting plate, where you could mount a film cleaner or a footage counter, etc. It also went at warp speed, which is nice with 6000ft reels- when you get sidetracked and R1-2-3 is running out and you forgot to rewind R4-5-6 from the previous show..... I also kinda liked the classic Nuemade "tank" table; the one that would only run with your foot on the clutch- until you got tired and made an 'illegal' peice of metal to hold it down...
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 12-22-1999 04:54 PM
Ok guys, here's a Christie "old style" AW3 platter loading a complete print from a 16,000 foot reel... You just can't do that with those crappy horizontal tables. Also, the horizontal tables twist the film with excessive tension and/or like to bounce causing the film to fly off the rollers and get very badly damaged. Strongs are especially bad about this. Vertical MUTs are the only way to go. John Walsh...I've only used the Neumade table once and I've got a few beefs. First, the tension was WAAAAAAY too high. Is there an adjustment for this? I didn't see an obvious one and had no manual (hint, hint to Ken Layton). Second, it does NOT allow large reels like shown above. Third, it's too low to the ground. Sitting isn't very comfortable and standing (er, I mean "hunching over") isn't too great either...and I'm not exactly tall either. Kelmar's got the best table hands down in my book. If only they would make a model with motors on both sides. James Dunn...no, using your "bird" finger and your thumb is really all that's needed. Never should contact come with the emulsion side. Put the bird finger on one edge and the thumb on the opposite edge. I'll get a few pics of the proper way to inspect in the next couple of weeks and post them.
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John Walsh
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posted 12-22-1999 07:01 PM
Regarding the Nuemade tables, I was told three years ago that there was no manual. You are right: there is no external tension adjustment. Tomorrow, I will call them and see what documention is avaiable- of maybe on Monday because of the hoilday. I at least would like a schematic, and there should be a manual by now. Nuemade is located only about 10 min from where I work, and they are usually pretty good about that stuff. Also I may have "mis-spoke" (BS'ed!) when I said that the spindles are only 3ft apart; we put large dia. reels (like the one in the picture) on it. But I think they only hold about 10,000 or 12,000 ft not 16,000. None of our theaters use large reels like that, except the Eprad "Sword" in the owner's basement.Regarding the Kelmar tables, they do make a model with motors at both ends. Goto: http://www.kelmarsystems.com/page15.html I wish I had one of those digital cameras... Also, I noticed in that picture of the AW3, the film goes from the reel to the top roller on the make up table mast- then to the roller at platter deck level. We had the same problem (the reel was too big to allow the rollers to be placed in the normal manner.) I made two peices that moved the mast out enough to clear the reel edge. There was too much strain on the that top roller, and it would pull it out of position, especially when the film was near the end.
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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 12-22-1999 10:18 PM
Where do you get 16,000' reels? The largest reels that I've ever seen are the Cinerama reels that take 12,000' of film. What would be the practical use of 16,000' reels? Are there any projector reel arms that would take that size or are they just used for "towers" (big reel systems that sit behind the projector and have their own takeup and rewind motors)?
Of course, the largest reels that are commonly used in theatres are about 26" in diameter with 4", 5", 6", or 7" hubs (fixed or floating). I've always called thse "6000' reels," although they usually hold a lot more than that. With a 26" diameter reel and 4" or 5" hub, I could often fit four not-quite-full shipping reels' worth of film onto it while still leaving 1/2" or so between the outer edge of the film and the edge of the reel.
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