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Topic: Bad Tech Support from Christie and Pennywise
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Scott Ribbens
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 118
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 01-15-2000 04:52 AM
Hey Joe, Looks like that AW-3 decided that it did not want to take up. (as is clearly shown in the picture by way of the clear leader still in the lower guidance roller) Hard to tell from the angle of the picture, but it looks like there is tension on the leader. What's up with that? It looks like it was paying out, was it? Just wondering why the take-up deck was not running. ------------------ quote: "More human than human" is our motto.
Scott
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Scott Ribbens
Expert Film Handler
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From: Los Angeles
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 01-15-2000 06:30 PM
Hey Brad, did you ever look into Xetron for a fully automated changeover? There is a wall mount unit that you could start on either projector #1 or #2, and run as many changovers as you need to on the automation. Or you can run a single projector with a platter, but it was made to do changeovers. I don't recall the model number. You might have to pick it up on the used market, but it was a very reliable and I never had a problem with them in the theatre that had them (four different booths two of them with platters and a single machine, one with two projectors and a platter, and the other was two projectors and no platters running 6k reels with changeover) the thing never missed a changeover, and it will not start a show with the failsafe down, and it will shut the show down if the failsafe drops as it always sees the failsafes!!!!------------------ quote: "More human than human" is our motto.
Scott
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Scott Ribbens
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From: Los Angeles
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 01-15-2000 07:36 PM
Well Brad, I was going to suggest that one too. If the Cinemation is not flexable enough for you, then that Xetron that I was talking about earlier won't cut it either. Just how flexible do you want this thing to be? You could go with something like a CPA-10. It has up to 10 programs with 70 command lines per program, and is very flexible. The only thing about it is you would have to figure out how to make it do changeovers, but as I recall, you should be able to make it work. PS. Could you fill us in on why you want automation in a changeover screening room in the first place. I have always perfered that changeover booths, screening room or not, be completly manual. ------------------ quote: "More human than human" is our motto.
Scott
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Nicholas McRobert
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Posts: 38
From: Belfast, N. Ireland
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-15-2000 08:23 PM
The failsafe on the Kinoton machines is a "split roller" at the bottom of the machine, measuring a little less than 35mm when closed. When film is running over this, the roller is held open or "split" and allows the machine to run normally. If there is a film drop-out, or break and the two halves of the roller spring together, the machine stops. It's definitely the simplest, and best system I have used and beats the hell out of the infra-red sensors (Component Engineering) I used to run on. The Kinoton platter is also connected to the projector and the projector motor will not <start> if the take-up platter control arm is not pulled across (ie: film loaded). So, in the case of a power-outage, the Kinoton motor takes so long to slow down and stop that the platter control arm ends up at the <no film> position and the projector simply WON'T start again when the power comes back on. That's my theory anyway. Apart from this, I I will talk to one of the field engineers at the start of the week and ask him what would happen in a situation like the one mentioned. I seriously doubt, though , that Kinoton would make such a stupid mistake in the system's design. I can also say that their customer service (and that of their dealers) has been second-to-none so far. Is it maybe possible that one designer has sold their system to both companies? On close inspection, they are too similar not to be related at all. Just while we are on the subject, I saw the ASK-1 PC-based automation system working yesterday at a cinema in Scotland. Very impressive, with no problems reported so far!
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-15-2000 08:56 PM
Well Scott, I think Scott has already answered your question. What better than a 2 projector situation that is fully automated for home use? Think about it, you've got a print on the shelf and you want to run it, but you're only going to run it once. At that point, it makes more sense to run it changeover than to load to the platter. If I was going to run a print 2-3 times, then it would be plattered. And who wants to sit in the booth at home running the film when both projectors could be threaded with the timer set so you could go into the auditorium and actually enjoy the movie uninterrupted? (Ok, I'm sure there are a few collectors who will disagree, but I think they are typically people who don't work in projection rooms everyday.)Anyway, the Cinemation only has 15 command lines across. Remember that 2 of those are taken away just for "projector 1 motor start" and "projector 2 motor start". Then you've got to dedicate 4 of them for sound format switching (8 if a CP-500 is used), screen lights up and down, house lights up, mid and down, possible side lighting as well up and down, flat format, scope format, douser open, douser close, possible slide or video projector on and off...basically I'm looking for whatever can handle the most variables as I'm getting tired of outgrowing systems. To date, Gary Stanley's UA barcode automation seems to be the superior system of choice (the cues on the film tells the automation what to do...no programming from show to show), but even that has it's quirks and was never intended to be used as an automation for changeover. The bottom line here is I want an automation system that will have enough options on it to be able to do anything and everything. The presentation should look like there is an operator running the show, but with no one in the booth. Anyone have any recommendations as to what the most flexible automation system is?
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