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Topic: Has anyone actually HEARD an HPS-4000 theater?
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John F. Allen
Film Handler
Posts: 54
From: Newton, MA
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-13-2000 06:01 PM
Dear Mr. Nelson:I am afraid that I cannot help you. I prefer not to get into personalities, personal attacks or directing blame about this theatre that has now closed. I am sorry if that displeases you. My computer is next to me when I am working. It's been time consuming but kind of fun to answer all the good questions that people have asked. I hope my answers have been helpful as well as prompt. I called my friend to confirm my memory so that I would not misinform anyone. We speak regularly. I believe I pointed out that he is no longer with the company. Not to put too fine a point on this, but we discussed politics as much as we did the theatre. I am sorry that you were not happy with the system you heard five years ago. I believe everything you and Brad have said. It should be obvious by now that I was not responsible for the sound you heard. John F. Allen
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John F. Allen
Film Handler
Posts: 54
From: Newton, MA
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-13-2000 07:07 PM
Dear Mr. Nelson:Indeed, if the system is what everyone says it is, why is not installed in all the theatres in the world? I would like to know that myself! The current list is posted on the HPS-4000® web site: http://www.hps4000.com JFA
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-13-2000 07:51 PM
Gentlemen:This once interesting thread has now turned into a bickering contest of who did what and such. My take on the HPS-4000¨ system is not only the equipment used but it's installation (ie the surround placement) and it's method of tuning, which, can be any damn way Mr. Allen pleases (it is HIS copyrighted name). Whether or not anyone, including myself, like's his results is strictly a matter of opinion as are ALL sound reproduction issues. For him to write off ANY changes to using his copyrighted name is perfectly acceptable since the copyright holder has lost control of the system...the same way THX could pull certification if a non-THX certified tech tampered with their copyrighted system. For Mr. Allen to say his system was "ruined" by others is also acceptable since he obviously was satisfied with the results he left (or he would otherwise be diluting the HPS-4000¨ name). This not to say it has in fact been ruined to others, including the public at large. To say Mr. Allen or others can tune one of his designed better or worse is strictly a matter of opinion. I have personally heard on of Mr. Allen's HPS-4000¨ system right after he tuned it (he was still in the theatre so I don't suspect tampering) and it did have a "big" sound. I personally like the horn sound. I do not agree with his tuning methods nor do I think he gets the best performance out of his speakers but those are my opinions. I also find his surround speakers are place so high as to be distracting (ALSO my opinion). I just tuned one of his Allen Surround Sound systems (never an HPS-4000¨) and found 1/3 octave EQ allowed me to get a very even and flat response in all four quadrents (Surround-EX theatre) such that they were rather pleasing to me (once again my opinion). As to Mr. Allen's other comments of system integrety and reliability, a reader on this thread can find their own answers just by paying attention. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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John Wilson
Film God
Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-13-2000 08:49 PM
VERY well put, Steve.It WAS interesting to read once, but no longer ( and besides, it takes so damn long to load). It would be nice also, if some contributors to this thread added SOME info to the 'who?' link so we can get some idea of their credentials or what it is exactly they do. Please, no more personal attacks.
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Brad Miller
Administrator
Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-13-2000 10:58 PM
Let's please put a "pause" on this discussion. Many good points have been made here and much valuable information has been exchanged, but as the last part of this discussion has turned into a rant between who is capable of calibrating good sound and who is not, I feel a need to exercise my duty as moderator to put an end to this.This entire thing is getting a bit ludicrous, as although it is not the same thing, is in my opinion just as crazy as if our changeover master friend Steve Guttag was to come onto the forum and tell everyone that he and only people he has trained were qualified to do a proper changeover. Sound is completely subjective and even a theater that I believed to sound the best in the world might not be agreed with by many others on this forum...just as even the reference Framingham HPS4000 theater might not sound good to myself or many others. I truly believe there is no right or wrong answer here. So, out of respect for all of the qualified non-HPS trained (with due respect to all of the HPS trained) sound techs out there, any message during the next 30 days regarding "HPS4000" or sound questions that are aimed at Mr. Allen's specific techniques will be deleted so as not to offend any more people before everyone can cool off from the comments made on this thread. I apologize in advance to everyone on the forum as well as Mr. Allen for necessitating the temporary ban of this topic, but the private emails I have received today from sound techs who are greatly offended by Mr. Allen's comments regarding unqualified sound techs warrant it. THREAD CLOSED
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