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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-05-2000 12:45 AM
I am putting together my SECOND copy of THE MESSENGER in two days. My first copy was totally trashed, I want to thank whatever buthole operator destroyed it, and the Technicolor jackass that actually signed off on it as having been inspected.My REEL beef is that the movie came on ten reels. TEN FRICKEN REELS. It would have made it easily on seven reels. Do they have any brains about this when they decide to do this to us? Do they realize just how much time and care we have to put into each and every splice? OF COURSE THEY DONT!!! And speaking of splices. One of thier lab splices was out of frame, and like the bonehead that I am I did not catch it. Now I have to put another one of these things together. It takes me so damn long because I make sure that each and every splice is lovingly applied so you NEVER EVER EVER SEE IT OR HEAR IT EVER EVER EVER. OK i just needed to rant before I went back to that ten reel movie that really should be on seven reels. AAAAUGH.... ------------------ "If it's not worth doing, I have allready been there and done it"
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John Wilson
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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-05-2000 04:06 AM
...like me. But, oh...the image! It made all that build up work worthwhile. We asked Columbia if it would be okay to leave it to the twelve spools but they said that would stuff up their inventory. (!) A great, great film but only in its complete 4 hour version. Branaugh wanted to film the entire text and man, does it work. Actually, it was interesting because we had just finished Romeo and Juliet at our theatre where you could understand about one in every three words. Then along came these fabulous Shakespearean actors and 6 track mag and you could understand every word. A delicacy unfortunately all too rare.
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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 02-05-2000 09:37 AM
I'm guessing, but I think that the reason there is sometimes very little film on a reel is because that's what is left over after editing. The director makes his 'cut,' but then the producer insists on removing scenes or re-arranging that scene... I don't know exactly when c/o marks are added to a film, but I bet it's pretty early in the editing process. There are probably certain editing critia that must be followed to create a c/o, (a slightly poor c/o during a scene with quick cutting might ruin it) so it's not a minor amount of work, They don't want to 'reset' the c/o marks based on the new edit.Does seem a bit lazy, though. And, don't even get me started on why we don't have ELR's!
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John Pytlak
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Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-07-2000 08:51 AM
I'm very sad that so few people were able the see a 70mm print of Branaugh's "Hamlet". The exquisite picture and sound quality shows how good film can be. The technology developed in the 1950's (e.g., 70mm Todd-AO, Ultra-Panavision) was very good; with modern film stocks, the results are GREAT! With 70mm DTS, the added cost and hassles of magnetic sound is no longer an excuse. The greatly improved image quality of 65mm origination even shows through in 35mm print-downs, and I could even see it on the recent broadcast of "Hamlet" on TNT cable (NTSC) television.Kodak makes the film. (It costs about twice as much as 35mm, as expected, since it is twice as wide.) Panavision, Cinema Products Corporation and Arriflex have modern 65mm cameras. Technicolor, Deluxe and CFI have the 70mm printing and processing machines. DTS has 70mm digital sound. Over a thousand theatres have the 70mm projectors. Where's the product? I wrote about the "Splendor of 70mm" in the December 1998 and March 1999 "Film Notes for Reel People": http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/december98/pppp.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/march99/pytlak.shtml For an article on the producton of "Hamlet", see the February 1997 issue of "Film Notes for Reel People": http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/february97/index.shtml ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Walsh
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Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 02-07-2000 11:11 AM
It's more than just the cost of negative, though. Cameras and lenses are probably more expensive (does anyone have an idea how much?) A director might not be able to use some unusual lenses that won't work with 70mm. Lighting may have to be changed. Sets must be made to look better, because you will see any imperfections. Focus pullers and cameramen have to be more careful.I'm not saying it costs too much, (Hamlet seemed to cost a reasonable amount) but it's not a trival decision. Although, I am at a lost to explain why regular 35mm production are not printed to 70mm. It still looks better. Oh, yeah! Why bother when we have E-projectors. They're so much better than film! How silly of me.....
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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-07-2000 12:39 PM
The cameras themselves really arent the issue as far as cost goes. The arriflex 65mm camera and the arriflex 35mm series all rent for about the same cost. There are multiple issues at work when producers decide to work with 35mm as opposed to 65mm: 1. Cost of film. The film is twice as much in cost and developing. 2. Editing. Facilities charge much more to edit 65mm than 35mm. Also there are not many facilities left that will still do any 65mm work making it much more expensive at the places that still do. 3. Director of Photographers and Cameramen. There are few left that have any experience working with 65mm and as a result the ones who do charge much more. There are so many reasons to shoot 65mm, but when actors and directors and cameramen eat into 65 percent of your budget before you ever get into pre-production, 65mm becomes a passing fancy and you start looking for ways to cut the budget.
how great the Matrix would have looked if Keanu didnt demand that 10 million bucks and they put it into 65mm shooting. Another point is that many directors PREFER to work with anamorphics on 35mm. For some reason they cant see the film without it. ------------------ "If it's not worth doing, I have allready been there and done it"
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