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John Walsh
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Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 02-11-2000 01:07 PM
If it's a digital soundtrack, there shouldn't be any poping; if yours does, there might be a problem somewhere.If it's the regular analog optical soundtrack, you might try: Adjusting your splicer such that the two ends of the film fit closer together before taping. Also, that the splicer is cutting the film evenly and cleanly across. On the main "Film-Tech," page there is a nice article on tweaking your splicer, which might help you. If the "pop" only happens after the film has been run for awhile, perhaps the "sticky" on the tape is not holding the film together, and the two ends are slowly parting. Try a different tape manufacturer. I like the Nuemade, but I'm sure there are other good ones. Ask your equipment dealer for "blooping ink;" a very dark ink you can apply right at the splice line to block light. There are probably pens or inks you could just buy at Staples that will do the same thing, but you'd have to experiment with different makes.
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-11-2000 01:13 PM
For analog sound, with older "white light" (tungsten bulb) soundheads, the blooping ink/tape must be opaque to infrared energy. You can test this by covering a length of the analog soundtrack on an old trailer with the blooping material, and make sure little or no sound comes through.With newer "red light" LED soundheads, the blooping ink/tape need only be opaque to red light. You can test it in the same way. Properly "blooping" analog soundtrack splices seems to be a lost art. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-11-2000 05:22 PM
About noisy sound...Anybody else have black mylar that "motorboats" as it goes through? We ordered a whole huge roll of black mylar and got this junk. My mgr. won't order anymore 'cuz we "already spent too much" on mylar. It seems that the black stripe on the soundtrack has little semi-transparent spots where the frame lines go all the way across the film. I've tried using all kind of ink to blot them out but I just make it sound worse. The stuff looks real nice but it sounds like hell. I've not been using it until the old stuff becomes 100% unuseable. Now, I have to start using it. All the 'good' mylar is just about worn out!
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Bruce McGee
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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 02-11-2000 08:03 PM
My splicer has no cutter blade. I use a good pair of scissors to cut the film so that there will be a very slight overlap when the pieces are put together.When I remake existing splices that are pulling apart, or, sticky, I peel and clean everything, splice one side, then apply a tiny piece of soundtrack blooping tape to the soundtrack area on the other side before applying the splicing tape. I find that this helps to quiet "pops" in the print, especially in quiet parts, and saves a frame. I always cut the ends of the bloop tape at a 45 degree angle to minimize the noise. I know this takes alot of time, but I am doing preservation here. These "blooped" splices pass thru my Holmes with no more movement than regular tape splices do. They seem to play well in a real theater here in town where I run prints occasionally. Old rebuilt Century CC's with Christie lamphouses. Is there anything I should know when it comes to which side I should bloop...Base or Emulsion? I've done it both ways and notice no difference in the image movement.
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-15-2000 04:13 PM
I checked the leader out. It is Xetron. (Sucktron).No, it isn't being threaded backwards. That's the first thing I checked when I heard the motorbotaing. It took me a couple of days to figure out what the hell was going on. If you look at it under 'casual' conditions it looks normal. It's only when you look closer and shine some light through it that you notice. The frame lines go from edge to edge. It's just that they're very faint in the analog soundtrack area. It almost looks like a black stripe was painted down the film to make a soundtrack. I've tried all sorts of things to make it work right. I tried black, red, green and blue magic markers. I've tried India ink and I've tried film-spotting dye. Problem is that often you make it worse. I think you're actually making the frame lines darker. (The film itself is not actually opaque.) The only thing that even partially worked is the spotting dye. That quiets the problem by about 90% and it's sooooooo labor intensive! Finally, I just said F*** it! I'll keep using the old stuff until it's dead. (I used to change mylar quite often. Now I almost never do it.) I guess I'm just going to have to live with this crappy leader until it's time to change it too. At that time I'll just specify that we have to have Neumade "Fiesta". (If somebody doesn't know how to use a frame counter, that's too damn bad.)
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