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Scott Norwood
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- posted 03-28-2000 08:05 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just tonight I saw the "Gone in 60 Seconds" (I think that's the title, anyway...) trailer, which starts off with a sort of crazed SMPTE clock-sweep countdown leader.

This got me to thinking about trailers that were obviously edited by someone who hated projectionists and wanted to upset them by creating on-screen effects that look like projection screwups.

I can think of at least two others: the "Gremlins" trailer (which I have several prints of, although I've only seen it on the rewind bench), which apparently contains a fake film-break; also, the "Shooting Fish" trailer, which was the first trailer that I ever ran and which starts off with a horizontal split-screen effect which looks very much like it is out of frame by exactly two perfs (which is impossible to correct on Century projectors without stopping the film and re-threading).

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Joe Redifer
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- posted 03-29-2000 02:25 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The last "Nightmare on Elm Street" movie had a fake film break in its trailer that looked very real.

I thought that the effect was cool. I don't think that they hate projectionists. They are just going for "shock value". The "Gone in 60 Seconds" trailer is dumb. Not only are Angelina Jolie's lips bigger than Fat Bastard himself, but it looks like a boring movie. Typical Nic Cage. The trailer also says "Time it took you to get your ticket: 2 minutes" -- "Time it took you to get your popcorn: 3.2 minutes" What theatre is this? At my theatre it takes 30 minutes to get your ticket and at least 4 hours to get your popcorn!

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Scott Magie
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Agreed.
What's with Nic Cage trying to be cool lately? Doesn't he know that he IS and always will be Stanley Goodspeed?!
As for the time it takes to get your ticket/popcorn... it was embarrassing to show this preview during Christmas break because we were so incredibly understaffed. I could almost hear the audience scoffing over the annoying screeching of the trailer. You could've stolen a whole fleet of cars in the time it took for them to get their popcorn!

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Brad Miller
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Coke had a Christmas trailer a year ago where the film broke and the audience entertained themselves with hand puppets. Wow did that look bad at "most" theaters! Dirt, scratches and more dirt. That trailer also made verifying that many xenons were badly out of focus (again at "most" theaters I saw this at). Oh did I forget to mention how incredibly lame that ad was? Anyone else remember that one?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I though all trailers came from hell!!
Mark

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Randy Stankey
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I actually have a couple of those "Shadow Puppets" trailers left. I use them for parctice film when training new people. It's funny to watch when that goes through. (It messed with my head when I first saw it, too!)

There was also a cool trailer for "Zorro" that started out with an all-white screen, then Zorro walked out and slashed the "screen". -- Right after the Coke ad finished its run I took one of those and spliced it to the Zorro trailer. It was funny! I still have it in the cabinet.

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Andrew D'Vrey
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Mark: I don't think all trailers come from hell. Technicolor can't be responsible for all the world's evil.


...I think.

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Erika Hellgren
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- posted 03-31-2000 08:24 PM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I remember that shadow puppet coke ad! It was really funny because our audience was always fooled into thinking that people behind them were actually doing those hand puppets. You'd see people raise up their arms and wonder why it made no shadow. I was very entertained by that That theatre did not have stadium seating, so the only way to make shadow puppets would be to get a ladder. Morons!

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Dave Williams
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Just remember kiddies, there is no hell, there is only technicolor.

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Rob Brooks
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Brad,
The first time I saw the Coke Trailer, I bumped my head jumping up fast to get to what I thought was broken film. Also after the film broke on that trailer someone yells out Projectionist in a demeaning tone of voice. I hate seeing those trailers that make it look like a projection problem.

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Tom Ferreira
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- posted 04-05-2000 01:39 PM      Profile for Tom Ferreira   Email Tom Ferreira   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to laugh at the Gremlins reference. Anyone remember when Gremlins 2 had the fake film burn/break in it. Warner Bros. did send out a letter stating that this was in the film, but the manager forgot to show it to the projectionist that screened the film. Boy, was she pissed when she got to the booth after breaking a speed record.
I've just been ignoring the trailer for Gone In 60 Seconds. This film is going to have every bad cliche in the book. Whoever edited the trailer is clearly aiming at the lowest common denominator.

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Randy Stankey
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I don't mind film jokes like fake film breaks and stuff like that but I do hate when they do them wrong...

1) In the trailer for Gone in 1/1440 Days the countdown leader looks like it was FLAT being played in SCOPE.

2) In the trailer for Black and White there are fake scratches in the film. There are way to many of them to be real and they dance around too much. What's the deal with fake scratches anyway? They do that on TV now! It's just TACKY!

There are probably millions more I could list but I think you get the point.

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John Pytlak
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As many on Film-Tech have noted, there is no reason for film to have scratches when handled by skilled people on well-maintained equipment. I have seen many prints after hundreds of runs that look brand new. And unfortunately, I've seen a few that look bad during the first run.

But I agree with Randy that the fake scratches and dirt that are so overused to portray "FILM" on television are tacky, and demeaning to the professionals who handle film correctly. Ironically, the vast majority of shows on television are shot
on FILM!

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Aaron Sisemore
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Randy Said:
"In the trailer for Black and White there are fake scratches in the film. There are way to
many of them to be real and they dance around too much. What's the deal with fake
scratches anyway? They do that on TV now! It's just TACKY!"

'Suicide Kings' had all of its opening titles loaded with huge scratches, sprocket runs, and bad, (I mean *really* bad) splices (all faked of course) and until I had relaized that they were fake I was ready to chuck the entire damned print into the dumpster and DEMAND a new one... heheh, ok, you got me going... ha ha ha... :P

Aaron

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Robb Johnston
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The Trailer for 8mm also looked like a projector snafu. In fact at one of my former theatres, there had been a brain wrap by a rookie projectionist that caused a frame to be burnt out of the trailer, and no one noticed due to the editing style of the trailer. of course after a few days the film would jump out of frame at that point, and still no one noticed why until I got back from vacation. I was to amused to be overly upset.

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