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Dwayne Caldwell
Master Film Handler

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From: Rockwall, TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2000


 - posted 04-05-2000 03:55 AM      Profile for Dwayne Caldwell   Email Dwayne Caldwell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Lucas is such a hypocrite. The man is pushing to make digital the mainstream filmmaking tool, but he won't release his precious Star Wars Episode One on DVD. And it's a shame too, because had the movie been released in the DVD format, I might have bought it just to have the option of programming out all the Jar Jar and Anakin scenes. Why he would make it available only in the lower quality VHS format is beyond me. Maybe his plan is to release it in VHS so that we may all flock to buy it and then re-release it on DVD several months from now forcing those that were stupid enough to buy the movie to upgrade thus doubling his money. If that's the case, why doesn't he just re-release the film in theatres like he's done with all his other Star Wars films? Oh I forgot! He's done that already with Phantom Menace. Well then maybe this is his way of maintaining his control over us all.

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Greg Anderson
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From: Ogden Valley, Utah
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 - posted 04-05-2000 07:40 AM      Profile for Greg Anderson   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Anderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I keep hearing the same statements and I don't understand the logic:

"Episode One really sucks and I'm mad I can't buy it on DVD."

"I'll only buy DVDs now and I won't buy VHS. So why is George Lucas forcing me to buy the movie twice by insisting that there will only be one DVD version some time in the future? I'd rather have a movie-only DVD version now and then I'll buy the collectors edition DVD later. So why is he forcing me to buy it twice with just one DVD?"

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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 - posted 04-05-2000 08:37 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It just goes to show that the phrase that Roger Ebert coined "Propellerhead George Lucas" really is true.
Mark

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 04-05-2000 09:44 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Last night I saw the TV ad for Phantom Menace. Did anybody else notice that the scenes showed on TV seemed to look better on video?

When I watched it in the theatre it looked good but many of the scenes had a "cartoon-y" look and feel to them. The scenes showed on TV didn't. Maybe it has something to do with there being "too much information" in the film? Since video has low resolution compared to film, a lot of that excess information is lost or cancelled out?

Then again, I might be dreaming...

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 04-05-2000 03:25 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm sure it's all a carefully laid out plan to sucking every possible dollar out of the video release. Soon the DVD will come out, then it will go through the pay per view and cable and network tv just in time for George to "find" another minute or two of cgi scenes to make a "special edition" and it will go on and on. Just like the original, rather than doing it right the first time, people will own multiple copies of the same film through different video releases, giving the illusion that the film is far more profitable than it really was.

My 2 cents.

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Trevor Bailey
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From: Woonsocket, RI
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 - posted 04-05-2000 04:19 PM      Profile for Trevor Bailey   Author's Homepage   Email Trevor Bailey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For those of you who really want to feel the pain:

A projectionist I know is buying a special Laserdisc edition imported from Japan. I think he said it was around $150. He said he needed it to hold him over until the DVD release. BTW, he's going to buy the VHS to watch until he receives his LD.

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Randy Stankey
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I understand that Lucas isn't going to release ANY of the Star Wars movies on DVD until ALL 6 movies are done. Therefore, there will be no Star Wars on DVD until the year 2006 or something like that.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 04-05-2000 06:07 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, you can buy the LaserDisc from Japan and it does have a Dolby Digital soundtrack on it. I wouldn't buy it. What I would buy is a LaserDisc with JUST the pod race scene in CAV presented in Dolby Digital and then again in DTS (all on the same side of the same disc). DTS's home format is (so far) the best sound format for movies because of its minimal compression. It beats any theatrical sound format in quality, but many would be hard pressed to find any difference.

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Stephen Winner
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 - posted 04-05-2000 08:55 PM      Profile for Stephen Winner   Author's Homepage   Email Stephen Winner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We couldn't show "Phantom Menace" at our theater because we weren't THX certified! What a rip! Most of the suburban houses had THX theaters, but were showing the movie in their non-THX theaters. Lucas just doesn't care about picture quality!

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 04-05-2000 11:20 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Georgeypoo is only doing that so he can sell more THX systems. To be honest, there really isn't a reason to buy the system anymore. If you want to achieve high quality sound and picture, you certainly don't NEED THX for any reason at all. Georgeypoo knows this.

He was just giving you a reason to need it.

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Ian Price
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 - posted 04-06-2000 12:29 AM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The nice thing about owning your own movie theatre is; Never watching a film on TV again!

I just wait for theatrical re-release. If it never comes back to the theatres, then I can probably go to my grave without watching it again. Its just entertainment.

I don't have a collector’s mentality. I don't need to own my own copy of a film. I just watch them as circumstance permits.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Ian, I'm sorry you only get to see films by circumstance....thats really a shame. Certainly watching a film on screen is the best way to see it however, my Mistubishi HDTV, gives things a real run for the money. Especially on film broadcasts. Give a few years and AMC and Turner will be broadcasting HDTV all day long! HBO does now. Its really amazing with DVD's since the normal NTSC mode is line doubled. With this, Dolby DIgital, and DTS at home what more can one want? I've been the film collector route a number of times and have had 70mm systems at home, it was a lot of fun, but impractical and I'm now in a position to watch all those old glorious classics that have great stereo sound tracks that are impossible to collect. Sure I catch them in a theater when ever I can, but then, I live in Salt Lake City and that does not happen too often here, It didn't in Chicago either for that matter. Gee, I'm even hearing them better than they ever were herd in the past too. I'm very content to watch via either method. I still feel that film is the only way to exibit in the theater, and that Digital projection is impractical on a large scale for at least the next 10 years.
Mark

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Jim Bedford
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From: Telluride, CO, USA (733 mi. WNW of Rockwall, TX but it seems much, much longer)
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 - posted 04-06-2000 08:40 AM      Profile for Jim Bedford   Author's Homepage   Email Jim Bedford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm with Ian. I have watched exactly zero films on video in the last year and proud of it! Why have a tiny picture of the Universe when you can have the whole Universe. BTW, what is DVD, "Dumbing Video Down?"

This constant dissing of Lucas and Spielberg reminds me of how the simple Greeks and Romans in the BC era attributed all of the evils that beset them, i.e., sickness, plague, storms, hangnails, video, etc., to their Gods. Quit the grizzling and second-guessing or buy their companies and make decisions you think are better. It's obvious that these guys have no clue what they are doing and everything they do is simply aimed at pissing people off. This is why they are so unsuccessful and we're in the booth.

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Stephen Winner
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At least Spielberg still supports film-based movie making! Unlike Lucasarts & Disney!

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 04-06-2000 09:01 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The ever-improving quality of home video display makes it all the more important to "raise the bar" on theatrical film presentation quality. The TI website makes it clear that they hope to leverage the prestige of DLP Cinema (TM) technology to sell DLP in "all the markets in which we participate", (e.g., home video). The same technology being promoted for use in digital cinema, will quickly find it's way into the home. Theatres must continue to offer better quality and value than home viewing. All of us need to make film presentation as good as it can be, so theatres remain the best and most preferred way to see a movie.

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