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Scott Norwood
Film God
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-20-2000 07:10 AM
I like Brad's/John's idea, though it wouldn't work if the original leaders ever needed to be replaced (not that the "reference frame" method would, either, of course).
I'd agree that losing six frames from the head and tail of each reel would be pretty disruptive. I have no way of actually measuring this, but I'd say that it's pretty easy to time a manual changeover well enough that only 2-3 frames would be lost at the head and tail of each reel. Besides, there are many, many films that have dialogue that runs out to the end of one reel and picks up again right at the start of the next; the R3->R4 changeover on "Titanic" comes to mind, as it's right in the middle of the scene (and, in the print that I had, the timing didn't match between reels). There are plenty of others like this as well. When I was at the Williamsburg Theatre, we ran a lot of older prints, some of which were so bad that they were missing more than a second at the head and tail of each reel (and didn't even have the second original cue mark!). Brad would not have approved.  And, yes, I usually solved the "20-frames-of-splices" problem by cutting out the whole bunch.
I haven't personally dealt with too many "new" prints until recently, but I'd say that leaving one or (at most) two frames should be sufficient. As someone else said in this thread, if someone is too lazy to peel the tape, then the logical thing to do would be to just cut off the next-to-last frame, rather than the reference frame itself.
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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays
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From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 05-20-2000 09:58 AM
>>I say make it the frame after "3" on the countdown and the frame right before "FINISH" on the tail.<<Ooooooh, that's a GOOD idea! They used to write the title and reel # on the edges of the film, several feet in, at both ends. I used that extensively. SDDS has killed that practice, I suppose, since their soundtrack is there. ------------------
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 05-20-2000 01:58 PM
Yes, I agree with Tim when the labs used to print the title/reel number on the edges...that was fantastic! Damnit, that's just one more thing to hate about SDDS.Still though, the Technicolor lab now prints the title/reel number between "4" and "5" on the countdown. Why can't they print an ID frame there as well? Scott, If I got a print that had several ID frames on the leader and a few cuts, yes I would refuse to play it. Continuity IS lost in doing that. (Sorry John W., but that practice is just horrible and I hope you will stop doing that before you get charged on one of your prints I send back.)
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