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Topic: Fader Settings in Theatres... What's yours at?
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Ted Costas
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 119
From: Hollywood, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 01:31 PM
Film handlers of the world... I am seeking your assistance. The TASA (Trailer Audio Standards Association) Program has been in effect for one year now. The purpose of this program is to improve the way features are presented, by limiting the loudness of trailers. Previous to June 1, 1999, NATO was receiving 200 complaints a month on the excessive volume of trailers. Since then, complaints have dropped significantly. As of June 1, 1999, TASA has been regulating the volume of trailers by establishing an upper limit which all trailers must abide by. The MPAA is enforcing the upper limit of every trailer released, and is currently running the administration of the TASA Program. The problem is, trailers are played so loud, that the faders are being turned down to compensate for the excessive volume... and they are not being turned back up for the feature. Hence, the presentation of the feature is being affected by the trailer. TASA was put in place to bring the features back up... by bringing the trailers back down. Make sense? What I would like to know is: A) What is your fader set at? (average) B) Can you tell me the screen number and the Theatre location? C) Have you turned your fader up at all in the last year? The TASA committee has been slowly lowering the volume of trailers, and although the complaints have decreased. I would like to know if the purpose has been addressed... Are the faders coming back up, or does TASA have to keep lowering the volume? And before you bash TASA, let me say that it is a slow process... Due to the numerous trailers that play for long and short periods, TASA cannot effectivly lower the upper limit too fast or the disparity between trailers released under the upper limit and those released ealier would be significant. That is why we are cycling the upper limit down slowly, one db every six months or so. I'd appreciate your help in finding out if this is working, and / or if it is working too slowly and needs a swift kick in the pants. Thank you, Ted Costas Manager, THX Theatre Alignment Program
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Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler
Posts: 283
From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 04:16 PM
For what it is worth:a) 7.0 average, for SR/SR-D features, 6.5 seems to be the average for Dolby A, and 7.0 for mono. Back in the good old days when we were an "ordinary" commercial establishment (we screen classics and run previews these days, plus a film festival, and- but you don't want to know this), we set the volume separately for each trailer, to give the audience the best presentation we possibly could. We were, and are still, a chgangeover house, so the projectionist's got plenty of time for this. b) The Draken, Göteborg, Sweden (only one screen; curiously listed as "Folkets Hus 1" at Dolby's SR-D website... Folkets Hus are the owners, but the theatre's not been renamed just yet, thankfully...) c) Up, and down, and up, and down, and... At the local multiplex, the answers would be quite different...
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Colin Wiseley
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 123
From: Blacksburg, VA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 06-05-2000 08:02 PM
We don't get trailers too often for the films we show, but I have noticed that volume levels of the trailers and features are evening out. We used to run the trailers at 5.5 and then jump up to 6.0 - 6.5 for the feature but now can run both at the same level most of the time.One exception would be Beautiful People, an English film. Both the trailer and the movie itself were loud just at 5.0. It was the first time I ever had to turn the volume up for the trailers and then down for the feature. ------------------ Colin Wiseley Lyric Theatre Blacksburg, VA www.thelyric.com
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Marty Hacker
Film Handler
Posts: 17
From: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-06-2000 03:17 PM
Ted, I run a THX complex in Tijuana, Mexico. All of my screens are perfectly calibrated with EQ/ and SPL levels settings to industry standards. 85dbc screen channels, 82 surrounds and 88-89dbc (digital subwoofer)I have dolby digital in all auditoriums with 6 movable DTS units and 4 SDDS units. Again, no matter which unit is playing where all spl levels remain the same. Essentially all my auditoriums can play feature at "reference" level. My trailers start out at 5.3 then my automations bump up the faders to no more than 6.5 depending on the pre-screened feature. Any exceptions to this rule are sold out shows in which fader is allowed to reach 7.0. Hope this helps, Marty Fader levels NEVER exceed 7.0
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Randy Stankey
Film God
Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-06-2000 10:29 PM
I'd say things are better than they were. We get a lot less complaints lately. We still get a few, though.We have still been turning the faders down to compensate for the difference but I notice it is less. Our faders stay on approx. "5". They could be as high as "6" but we are in a smaller town and people just LIKE the volume lower. I'd say just get the volume lowering overwith. Most trailers only play for a month or so.
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Mike Blakesley
Film God
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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-10-2000 05:05 PM
I keep mine at around 6. If we get a lot of older people, then it goes down to about 5-1/2. I like and enjoy listening to movies at 7, but our audience skews older and I know they wouldn't like it if we played that loud. I don't believe in the "set it and leave it" method, since some producers/directors just like to make ultra-loud movies, audiences be damned. Gotta compensate for that, or we'd lose business. Of course it makes it easier when I only have one screen to do a listen-test on! (I just KNEW there were advantages to being a single-screen!) For what it's worth, we've had DTS since '94 and stereo (with subs) since '92 and I have never once had a complaint that it's "too soft," and only two or three "too louds" a year. Mostly I get 'comments' (like "That was a loud one, wasn't it?")....when they say that, it is probably too loud. As far as trailers, some are too loud, some too soft. I agree with the crowd...cut the volume now, all at once.
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