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Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 207
From: Sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 06-09-2000 11:11 PM

I was wondering what the contents of Film-Guard is. I recently got a bottle, and there is no label of contents on it.

I could be mistaken, but I thought that any chemical product had to have a listing of the chemicals that it is composed of. Certainly OSHA in there infinate facism would need something to put in thier MSDS books.

I am just curious, in case one of the cannon fodder that works in my booth decided to drink some.

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Erika Hellgren
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 168
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-09-2000 11:25 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, Brad, but FilmGuard is still patent pending, so the ingredients won't be printed on the bottles until the patent goes through completely, so that no one can make a FilmGuard knockoff. That's my guess anyway.

I would have to say that if someone is stupid enough to drink FilmGuard, they have no business being in the booth

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 06-09-2000 11:45 PM

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Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 207
From: Sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 06-10-2000 12:58 AM

Personally, I prefer a mix of WD 40, XeCote, butane and Century, NOT Simplex, oil to be the best elixer any projectionist could ask for.

But given your suggestion, I think I will put Film-Guard to the test.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-10-2000 01:07 AM

If you want an MSDS sheet, email the address on the bottle. However, the actual ingredients will not be revealed. There is no legal requirement. Not to worry, so long as you don't drink it, you will be fine.

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Tom Ferreira
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 203
From: Conway, NH, USA
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-10-2000 07:03 AM

It's funny ths topic should come up-I got my Film Guard on Thursday and as I was using it, I was trying to place why the smell was so familiar. It's sort of like the stuff you spray on a dust mop, but I can't really pinpoint it. The smell does linger in the booth(and on your hands). It won't hurt skin, will it?
While we're on the subject, I do have a question-I was going to contact Brad directly, but others may want to know the answer. I do not have media cleaners(yet-I'm working on it), so I used the method of wiping Film Guard on the top and bottom edges of the film with a cloth to eliminate static and shedding. Does this procedure only need to be performed once at the beginning of the run of a film? Once a week? I did notice a MAJOR difference in the film gate, so I'm already pleased with the results, but how often do I have to do it?

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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene

Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 06-10-2000 10:29 AM

I found that if you apply it just once it will last the whole run, as far as eliminating static. I had a print of star wars that ran for 12 weeks with just the one application. There was no shedding and no static for the entire period.

And on the subject of ingredients Brad, is it normal to grow extra fingers after exposure to film-guard? Just curious.

Dave

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 06-10-2000 10:53 AM

As to how often the edges should be wiped depends on your projectors. Some projectors are inherantly more abrasive on the film while others are extremely gentle on the film. If once works, then great. With the more abrasive projectors, I recommend once every week or two weeks. If you start seeing shedding or the projector starts chattering loudly (like when film is run dry), then wipe some more on.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 06-10-2000 09:22 PM

Dave- FilmGuard had not been released by the time Star Wars Ep 1 was out (At least nowhere near the beginning of its run). Or do you have a second run theater?

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 06-11-2000 02:46 AM

Brad wrote: >>Not to worry, so long as you don't drink it, you will be fine.<<

Ulp!

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 06-11-2000 02:49 AM

Joe wrote: >>FilmGuard had not been released by the time Star Wars Ep 1 was out (At least nowhere near the beginning of its run).<<

Is that right? I thought it had been out longer than 12 months. Are you confusing ep 1 with ep 4? (If you are, please consider yourself cyber-slapped. If you are not, then I will return myself the favour)

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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posted 06-11-2000 03:00 AM

I'd have to check, but if memory serves, FilmGuard was publicly released to the market Aug 8th, 1999.

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 06-12-2000 01:54 AM

--SLAP--

OUCH!!!!... SLAP...Ooooooh!

Sorry Joe. I guess I must be mixing up the testing dates with the rest-of-us dates. (I should have known better that you wouldn't mistake ep4 for that new crap. Yes, George...face it...it's crap.

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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1776
From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999

posted 06-12-2000 08:16 AM

I got my first bottle in September '99.

The Holmes has never seen anything designed to improve the screen image before this. Have they ever? Why would they? Who cares? Its only a portable with a standard lamp!

I dont drink it, however, I have grown a neat webbing between my fingers, and my fingernails have not needed a trimming in months.

This sh*t is so expensive, I think you should just inhale it instead of mixing it with century oil.

For dessert one night, after eating xenon-under-glass-mirror, put enough used Holmes grease in a Jell-O mold to fill to the top. Using the included spray nozzle, give the mixture one squirt on the top of the mold. Refrigerate awhile. Remove the mold, sprinkle with polyester dust, give one more squirt for texture, and serve. Serves 2.

Only use 50 year old grease. The newer stuff has additives that will kill. If unsure, dont eat it.

A sick mind came up with this recipe suddenly. Too much Vitafilm over the years???

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 06-12-2000 09:46 AM

Bruce:

Wasn't "VitaFilm" the film treatment that smelled like "Vick's Vapo-Rub"? Some film treatments tried using camphor as a plasticizer, and had that distictive odor. You can also tell the ones that are citrus-based (D-Limonene), or that still use the ozone-depleting methyl chloroform (1,1,1-trichloroethane).

Good technical overviews of the solvents and lubricants that might be used in film treatments are contained in the SMPTE Journal:

"Practical Film Cleaning for Safety and Effectiveness" by Fassett, Kolb and Weigel, September 1958 SMPTE Journal.

"Lubrication of Motion-Picture Film" by Kolb and Weigel, April 1965 SMPTE Journal.

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Eastman Kodak Company
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