Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » Doesn't this just suck? (Page 1)

 
This topic comprises 5 pages: 1  2  3  4  5 
 
Author Topic: Doesn't this just suck?
Carl Welles
Film Handler

Posts: 82
From: Cali
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 07-27-2000 02:40 AM      Profile for Carl Welles   Email Carl Welles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So on screen advertising is 5 times more effective than tv advertising, and somehow that won't affect the number of commercials in theatres. Um, right. It figures that we can blame Technicolor for screwing up the moviegoing experience once again.


Loews Cineplex Signs Major On-Screen Advertising Agreement

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 25, 2000--Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation (NYSE:LCP;TSE:LCX) announced today that it has signed a long-term exclusive agreement estimated to be worth in excess of $60 million with Technicolor Entertainment in connection with the placement of rolling stock advertising on Loews Cineplex theatre screens in the United States.

The agreement will provide for Technicolor to sell filmed advertising prior to the feature presentation on approximately 1,800 Loews Cineplex screens throughout the United States. The program is expected to debut in July 2000 and will not extend the length of Loews Cineplex's pre-show presentation, reflecting the company's commitment to provide its customers with an enjoyable and satisfying moviegoing experience. Loews Cineplex currently runs on-screen advertising in its theatres in Canada, Europe and Asia.

Lawrence J. Ruisi, President and CEO of Loews Cineplex, noted that "We are very pleased to announce this agreement, which represents the next step in our strategy to generate ancillary revenues in our business. On-screen advertising has been shown to be five times as effective as television advertising. With our broad demographic audience, national reach and ideal urban concentration, our theatres represent a unique and highly effective opportunity for advertisers to deliver their message. On-screen advertising represents a significant source of revenue for international exhibitors throughout the world, and we are excited about the potential value this transaction creates for our business in the United States."

About Loews Cineplex Entertainment:

Loews Cineplex Entertainment Corporation (NYSE: LCP; TSE:LCX) is one of the world's largest publicly traded theatre exhibition companies in terms of revenues and operating cash flow, with 2,926 screens in 385 locations primarily in major cities throughout the United States, Canada and Europe. Loews Cineplex's divisions include Loews Cineplex International, Loews Cineplex United States and Cineplex Odeon Canada. Loews Cineplex operates theatres under the Loews, Sony and Cineplex Odeon names. In addition, the Company is a partner in Magic Johnson Theatres, Star Theatres, Yelmo Cineplex de Espana, De Laurentiis Cineplex d'Italia, Transturk Cineplex of Turkey and Far East Cineplex of Vietnam.

About Technicolor:

A wholly owned subsidiary of Carlton Communications Plc (Nasdaq: CCTVY), Technicolor has evolved as the number one processor of motion picture film to become the world's largest independent manufacturer and distributor of Videocassettes, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, CD-ROM and CD-Audio and a leading service provider for cinemas involving distribution of film prints, promotional materials and on-screen advertising.

Technicolor serves an international base of entertainment and software customers with its facilities in Michigan, California, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, Virginia, Mexico, Canada, Denmark, Holland, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, and the United Kingdom. Major Hollywood clients include Disney, Warner, DreamWorks and New Line. Software publishers include Microsoft and Hewlett Packard.

This press release contains forward-looking statements regarding the Company's results and prospects. Actual results could differ materially from these statements. The forward-looking statements in this press release should be read in conjunction with the factors described in "Item 1. Business - Factors That May Affect Future Performance" in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended February 28, 1999, which, among others, could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in forward-looking statements made in this press release and in oral statements made by authorized officers of the Company. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of their dates. The Company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

CONTACT: Loews Cineplex Entertainment

Mindy Tucker, 212/833-6073

Corporate Vice President, Strategic Planning



 |  IP: Logged

Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 09:15 AM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The article doesn't make it clear whether the on-screen advertising is in the form of slides or actual film ads (is that what "rolling stock" means?). If the pre-show presentation is the same length, as the article says, then fewer movie previews must be shown, which will hurt future attendances, since many customers make decisions concerning future theatre visits based on the impressions they get from the previews. This sounds like a sure way for theatre companies to shoot themselves in the foot, while irritating their customers by showing more ads. People don't seem to mind sitting through several previews as much as they do sitting through just a few commercials, unless the commercials are very entertaining.


 |  IP: Logged

Pat Moore
Master Film Handler

Posts: 363

Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 09:41 AM      Profile for Pat Moore   Email Pat Moore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One of several models put forward to help offset the higher costs of digital cinema is with increased advertising revenues that might be generated by selling some of that advertising time. Sounds like the initial impressions of such a plan aren't so hot... Advertising is very common in SE Asia, but I'm not sure US audiences are ready for such a thing. Still, looks like at least one major is going to put a foot in the water to see how hot it gets.


 |  IP: Logged

John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 07-27-2000 11:09 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
".... and will not extend the length of Loews Cineplex's pre-show presentation."

I can assure you that this is complete and total bullshit. About 5 minutes after they "think" they have got patrons used to ads, they will add more and more.

Marketing people are evil!!!

 |  IP: Logged

Dave Bird
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 777
From: Perth, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 11:26 AM      Profile for Dave Bird   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Bird   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What happened? Why is everything getting worse? That drive-in restaurant dad used to take us to is now a drive-thru. National anthem, cartoons, double-feature - OR - was that just a dream?

------------------
Dave Bird

 |  IP: Logged

Mitchell Cope
Master Film Handler

Posts: 256
From: Overland Park, KS, United States
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 07-27-2000 11:39 AM      Profile for Mitchell Cope   Email Mitchell Cope   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"People don't seem to mind sitting through several previews as much as they do sitting through just a few commercials, unless the commercials are very entertaining."

Commercials shown in movie theaters don't appear to be as good as those shown on TV. Coke used to be able to make a good commercial (they often came from TV), but it's like they try not to anymore. And why do the commercials I see look so grainy on the movie screen? Were they shot in 8mm? Even if the commercials were good, a repeat captive audience would find the commercial less enjoyable the 2nd and 3rd time around. For the commercials to be enjoyable they must be both entertaining and fresh.

 |  IP: Logged

Travis Cape
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 122
From: St. Louis, MO, USA
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 11:48 AM      Profile for Travis Cape   Email Travis Cape   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I remember watching an ad for a Six Flags ride at an AMC theatre. I have been known to yell, "I would love to go on the ride, but I am watching a movie". Trailers are movie related and are great. Actual advertising is just plain wrong! Film ads are even worse than the slides. All of this advertising with the arcades in the lobby and untrained projectionists will lead to everyone going out of business.

 |  IP: Logged

Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 12:42 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
On the "freshness" issue:

Those who go to the movies almost every week dislike repetition. A good rule of thumb is that many things get stale on the third viewing, unless they're unusually funny or entertaining. This would imply that ads would need to be changed at least every two weeks to not irritate the frequent moviegoers. I don't see companies making the effort to pump out new commercials every two weeks -- why put effort into making something with a 2-week lifetime? So, I guess frequent moviegoers will be stuck with seeing the same commercials over and over.

The repetition has never bothered me much with the policy trailers until now. In the past, the brief trailers for Carmike and Regal have never bothered me. Recently, though, the policy trailer now used by Regal with the little girl with the masculine voice is old and I dread seeing it again. The "train" or "roller coaster" trailer never got annoying after nearly three years, but the "masculine voice girl" is already unbearable. I often hear several utterings of "Oh, no" when that thing starts playing now in Regal theatres. Repeated commercials are going to have a similar effect. In fact, that new Regal thing isn't as much of a policy trailer as much as it is a really bad Pepsi commercial. Sometimes, I wish the audience would just blatently "BOO" any commercials they've seen before and don't like.

Before a movie, showing something that gives the audience information about upcoming movies is an important way to get people to come back. Replace those previews with commercials and attendances will drop in the future. I promise it.

My other gripe about commercials in theatres is that many of them are nowhere near the quality of standard movie trailers. Many are simply still images (like a slide) with a voice advertising something (O'Charleys, University of Alabama A&M, Donna Apple Realty, etc.). Some are presented in the TV aspect ratio of 1.33:1 and some of them look like video blown up to 35mm. If they're going to make commercials to be shown in theatres on film, they should at least compose them to fit either the flat or scope format, and use 35mm film (or equivalent digital resolution) for shooting. Well, that's enough ranting about commercials for the time being.

Evans A Criswell http://home.hiwaay.net/~criswell/theatre/



 |  IP: Logged

Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 07-27-2000 12:57 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So did Regal finally dump the "roller coaster" policy trailer? That thing always looked terribly dated to me--almost like someone did the animation on a Commodore 64 or something like that. It was so low-res that you could clearly see the scan lines...

And, yes, I hate commercials in theatres. If they _must_ be shown, then they should at least be required to be photographed on 35mm film and be different from the commercials that are shown on broadcast television. Slide ads are bad enough, but TV commercials blown up to 35mm and shown cropped to 1.85 are just downright awful.

 |  IP: Logged

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 01:15 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Although most of the national-account "high end" television commercials are shot on FILM, most of editing (e.g., AVID), titling and post production are done digitally at video resolution. So if the completed digital video master of a television commercial is transferred back to film for theatre use, the image quality is often poor.

Local or "low end" commercials usually originate on video.

To cut costs, "rolling stock" ads often are not printed on Kodak film.

Feature films and trailers usually use 35mm film for production, and use film quality post production techniques. If digital effects and compositing are used, at least 2K resolution is used, and 4K is preferred.

------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


 |  IP: Logged

Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 207
From: Sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 01:30 PM      Profile for Kevin Crawford   Email Kevin Crawford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
General Cinema's way out of the commercials is to start the movie early. Currently, my theatre has 3 minutes of this crap ahead of the show. Including Nike, Pepsi, and McDonalds. So we are to start the show 3 minutes early. This is on top of a minimum of 4 trailers, plus the policy trailers.

People are going to get pissed off and not come to the movies. Why should they pay to be advertised to. Slides are bad enough, but this is just stupid.

By the way, speaking as someone who has a degree in Marketing, John is wrong. We are much worse than evil. So evil, that it is pronounced eeev-illle. Like the fru-its of the dev-iiilll.

 |  IP: Logged

Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 07-27-2000 01:44 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
If commercial ads are a necessary evil, I like General Cinema's practice of pre-rolling the film early. That way, people who show up right on time don't have to see them.

Of course, having a curtain call right after the rolling stock and before the first MOVIE preview would be ideal. Of course, everyone knows that it takes 30 minutes for the curtains to open after they close.

 |  IP: Logged

Kevin Crawford
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 207
From: Sacramento, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 01:50 PM      Profile for Kevin Crawford   Email Kevin Crawford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Curtains? Who still has curtains? Especially in your new 16 plex.

 |  IP: Logged

Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 07-27-2000 02:07 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The only theatre in my area that had curtains that completely closed over the screen was the Gateway Cinemas 4, which opened in December 1967, which was twinned in 1974 and quadded in 1990, and had curtains on all screens, although some were not functional when the theatre closed. This excellent second-run theatre's last night was May 11, 2000, and I hated to see it go.

There were seldom more than two trailers shown before the movies! There would usually just be the Regal "train" policy trailer, plus one movie preview, then the movie would start!

About the Regal "train" policy trailer: I have not seen it since I first was subjected to the "masculine voice girl" trailer on Friday, June 23, 2000 in front of "Chicken Run" on its opening night. I assume that June 23 was the night that the change was made since I saw movies the week before at Regal theatres. I sure hope Regal doesn't keep that awful thing as long as they kept the "train". I've actually complained about that trailer in comment cards to Regal and it was not put on several movies I've seen recently. Yippee! It's fun to put comments like "It's time for that new policy trailer to jam in the gate and melt away forever." or "That little girl with the masculine voice is in severe need of a brain wrap." Have any of you noticed the terrible lab splices visible in that thing?

At least with the "train" policy trailer, the kids loved it, and if there were any high school students from Grissom High School in the theatre, they'd hold up their arms as if they were on a roller coaster while the thing was playing.

More commercials in theatres are inevitable, but let's just hope that efforts will be made to make them entertaining, like the recent one about the guy who has a girlfriend made of rice crispy treats material (I can't remember the product being advertised!) There is also the commercial that ends with a guy saying "I'm not a cheerleader, I'm an athletic supporter." I guess if they make them too entertaining, the product won't be remembered, as is the case with me and these two funny ones.


 |  IP: Logged

Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99


 - posted 07-27-2000 03:16 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, since I don't work for Loews and never will, this doesn't affect me, and therefore I really don't care. It sucks for the projectionists that do have to deal with it, though, and the customers. Carl must work for Loews.

I have curtains in my new 16 plex.


 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 5 pages: 1  2  3  4  5 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.