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John Wilson
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John Walsh's post about the guy who lopped off the last half of the end credits on Superman (sorry John Williams) made me think of another editing job on credits after release...only this time it was for the better...



The only successful editing job I've ever seen on a feature was on 'Airplane' (Called 'Flying High' over here, btw, as we don't have airplanes, we have aeroplanes. Though why they didn't think 'Aeroplane' would work as a title, I don't know...anyway, 'Flying High' did the trick.)

Where was I?...Oh yes... the credits...

Remember how there was this running gag through the film where Ted Striker screams up in his cab at the airport and as he runs into the airport to chase Elaine, a passenger gets in his cab? Ted runs back and sets the meter running then continues into the airport and eventually ends up on the plane flying it with Elaine and trying to land it. (You've got to...concentrate...concentrate...concentrate...Hello?...Hello?...Hello...) All through the movie, they keep cutting back to this guy in the cab looking at his watch and cutting to the meter which is in the hundreds and even thousands of dollars as the film progresses.

Anyway, right at the end of all the credits, just before the Paramount title, it cuts back to him and he says "Well, I'll give him another twenty minutes...but that's it!"

We got a print of it one time (they used to get subsequent runs as supports a lot in those days, kids ) and someone had taken this section and put it between the end of the pictorial credits and the rolling credits. It worked really well as the music stopped between them too so it all flowed through quite naturally and everyone got to see this incredibly funny scene whereas before it was a great pity because everyone had left by the time it turned up. They did throw in some funny things in the credits to try and keep you there like...

Generally in charge of a lot of things .... Mike Finnell

Author of A Tale of Two Cities ............ Charles Dickens

Foreez.............. A Jolly Good Fellow

Worst Boy (following 'best boy'credit)..........Adolf Hitler

In case of tornado...............Southwest corner of basement

...and finally...
This motion picture is protected under the laws of the United States and other countries. Unauthorized duplication, distribution, or exhibition may result in civil liability or criminal prosecution. So there.

Anyway, it worked really well and whenever it came in after that, if the print already hadn't been changed, we'd make sure we did change it.

Anyone else have an experience like that?

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Stephen Brown
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Funnily enough John, In my early days of Operating, I screened this exact same print. I didn't realise what had happened until I saw it in another theatre.

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John Wilson
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I think this idea caught on a fair bit with Flying High so there were probably quite a few prints like it. (Nice as it is though to think they were the same ) How long ago did you screen it, Stephen?

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Ted Striker: "I flew single engine planes during the war...but this plane has FOUR engines!! It's an entirely different kind of flying...altogether!"

All: "It's an entirely different kind of flying."

Flying High...aka 'Airplane'- 1980


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George Roher
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"Oh Stewardess, I speak Jive."

I had probably watched Aeroplane 50 times before I noticed that final scene at the end. I've only seen it on video though.

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Rick Long
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Didn't Eddie Murphy do the same sort on thing in "Coming To America"? I recall being hesistant to turn up the house-lights during the credits, less the audience be tempted to walk out and miss the final joke in the picture - the "waiter, taste this soup" one.

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Stephen Brown
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John,

I ran it in its original release in Australia. That was about 80, 81 I think. That was my first job as projectionist (started at the age of 14). Running Kalee 21's , carbons, 20 min reels...That was just so much fun.

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Oscar Neundorfer
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FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF also had a scene at the end of the credits where Ferris walks out of the bathroom (I think) with a towel wrapped around him and says something like this:

"What are you still doing here? The movie's over! Go home!"

I always like to stay through all the credits, but I usually get outvoted by my wife who sees nothing useful about credits. Sometimes there are some really funny things thrown in that are worth staying for.

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Bruce McGee
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(giving my age away) The 1970 classic "Pufnstuff" had a short joke after the end titles. The witch returns and says: "The End? Thats what they think! I'll Get Em Yet! Y'all go home and have a nightmare!"
(Laughs)

Eating Raoul (1981 Paul Bartel) had funny titles too. One off hand is: A Sister Of The Producer------Wendy Bartel. THIS is why I read credits.

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Paul Konen
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Most recently, Me, Myself and Irene with the thumb and Chicken Run with the argument about the Chicken and the egg.

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Aaron Sisemore
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practically ALL the Zucker-Abrahms-Zucker films have 'joke credits' interspersed within the real ones...

as for after-the-credits-but-before-the-rating scenes, theres the one in Scary Movie with Doofie and the Suck-O-Lux

Also when Disney gives thanks to all their animation staff in the end credits of the animated features they usually throw a tounge-in-cheeker in there like with 'Hercules' they say "it's been a real slice..." and in Mulan they said "You bring honor to us all..."


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Paul Mayer
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Or the Pixar "Bugs Life" credit:
"Filmed entirely on location" plus the listing of all the "production babies".

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Bruce McGee
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Back to the original subject, I am against cutting, re-arranging, shortening, "improving," or anything that changes the print. The joke at the end of the credits is candy for the people that *surprise* sit through the credits to the end. Even when there is no candy, I feel that the movie is not finished until the credits are over. Nobody has commented on moving the Taxi joke in "Airplane" either. Nope. Dont like it.

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John Pytlak
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I agree with Bruce that no "edits" should ever be made by theatres. Even removing "souvenir" frames should be reason for dismissal.

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John Gordon
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I also agree a film should never be cut or "artistically" altered by a theatre. If someone is caught doing this, then they should be cut. Theatres show movies, not make them. If a movie is a piece of crap, it is not the theatres fault.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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The outtakes at the end of Grumpy Old Men comes to mind. They were actually far more funny than anything that made it into the film.
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