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Topic: Screen size vs. wattage
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John Walsh
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posted 08-19-2000 12:30 AM
This has been talked about in previous posts, but generally, take the height of the screen, square it, then multipy by 12. That gives suggested wattage.10 foot high screen (10 x 10) x 12 = 1200 watts. If the lens focal you are using is about 60mm or less, you need even more.
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John Walsh
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posted 08-21-2000 10:43 AM
"Does the drive-in world require a totally diiferent set of specs?"No. Drive ins usually just run with low light. A 40ft high screen would be about 95ft wide; that's pretty big! Some drive in projectors have "fast pull-down" intermittents (allows the shutter to stay open longer) to get more light. But nothing is going to light that screen. 35mm film just can't take that kind of light (heat.) I tried to find when in the past we talked about this at length, but the search feature isn't working.
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-21-2000 12:25 PM
SMPTE Recommended Practice RP 12 "Screen Luminance for Drive-In Theaters" notes that "in an ideal situation...the screen luminance and distribution shall be that specified in ANSI/SMPTE 196M, 16 fL +/- 2 fL (55 cd/m2 +/- 7 cd/m2). But "When maximum compromise must be made...the luminance at the center of the screen, measured from any car position, shall in no case be less than 4.5 fL (15 cd/m2)." RP 12 also allows more non-uniformity on an outdoor screen than for an indoor theatre.In reality, any screen larger than about 25 x 60 feet will be difficult to light to the SMPTE aim of 16 fL without risk of heat damage to 35mm film. A 70mm print allows spreading the energy of the lamp over a much larger area of film, so huge screens are much easier to light properly with 70mm formats. If you have a 30 or 35 foot high screen, the only way to light it properly is with a 70mm print. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-21-2000 12:52 PM
Rory said: "Are the above equations set to calculate 16ft/L +/- 2ft/L??? I am assuming they are. I am gonna take those equations and compare them to my theaters and see which one is the closest." The "equations" presented are really only "rules of thumb". As Pat Moore mentioned, there are many factors that affect the "efficiency" of converting watts to light on the screen. These include shutter efficiency, lens f/stop, lamphouse f/stop and match/alignment to the projector optics, port glass transmission, screen gain and curvature, cleanliness of the optics, etc., etc. As Pat notes, many theatres have screens that use poorly chosen lamp sizes. For example, to reduce lamp inventory, some theatres routinely use only one or two lamp sizes for screens ranging from 10 x 24 feet(which only needs about 1200 watts) to 15 x 36 feet(which needs about 3000 watts) to 20 X 48 feet (which needs about 5000 watts) to 25 x 60 feet (which needs about 7000 watts). Or they try to economize by using a 2000 watt lamp for screens much larger than the 13 x 31 foot size that can be comfortably lit with 2000 watts. The only sure way to know if you are meeting the SMPTE standard is to regularly MEASURE the screen luminance using a calibrated screen luminance meter. Here are several articles that I wrote on the subject: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/spring98/pointers.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/notes/march2000/pytlak.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/notes/june2000/pytlak.shtml ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-21-2000 01:01 PM
Pat Moore said: "John found his SMPTE reference before I did."No, I actually have all the SMPTE Standards, Recommended Practices, and Engineering Guidelines committed to memory! Actually, committed to my laptop's memory: I purchased the CD-ROM set from SMPTE that has Adobe Acrobat .pdf files of ALL current SMPTE standards. Here is the link: http://www.smpte.org/stds/index.html For as little as $250.00, you can be as expert (and fast) as me!
------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-21-2000 03:10 PM
Antonio: If they are really getting 16 footlamberts on a 98-foot wide screen, it would be an engineering breakthrough! I could imagine a 70mm print with a very large lamp (e.g., 10,000 watts) delivering that kind of light, but not with a 35mm print. Please find out what equipment they have, and what the light measurement actually is. I suspect that the light level is actually below standard if you measure it.------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Pat Moore
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posted 08-21-2000 03:51 PM
I'm with you, John. I want to see that 98ft screen with 16fL of illumination, and the equipment doing it.John, seems like I remember some research done not all that long ago that determined (basically) the bigger the image, the less illumination was required to make the image effective. There was a train of thought saying that very large (appearing) images have so much visual information that it's overwhelming to the brain if it's illuminated at "normal" standards. Are you aware of anything like this? I do know when I view a screen from close up (large appearing image) compared to farther away, the close up image sure LOOKS brighter.
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