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Topic: House light levels during show?
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Frank Prete
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From: Victoria, Australia
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 10-01-2000 05:03 AM
Our cinemas stay off throughout the film, and come back onto a preset level around the start of the credits.Our newer cinemas use four stage dimmers so that we can have on preset for the ads and trailers and then a slightly darker preset for the credits. In operation though, we only seem to use one of the presets. Jesse, you weren't asking about the level for trailers, you were asking about feature film levels? Is this correct. I am wondering if anyone drops the house lights out completely during trailers. This was a practice in one theatre, and the effect was great - trailers how they are meant to be seen Frank Frank.
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Pat Moore
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Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 10-01-2000 06:48 AM
This is one of those "can't have everything" issues. Lawyers and patrons that are looking for some excuse to sue are, hopefully, the very rare exception. Doesn't seem like it, sometimes, but that's another subject.If ambient light levels are too high, contrast within the cinema can be greatly reduced and the reason I'm there -- to watch the movie -- suffers. If I'm late and kick my knee on the back of a chair because it's dark, that's my fault. I'd rather watch the movie in the atmosphere of the cinema anyway, much more enjoyable. Aisle lights, special directional lighting and such can address the safety issues while still allowing the presentation quality we want. One of those "compromises" we all have to make might be mid-level lighting during trailers in front of the main feature, and during the credits when 85% of the audience starts to leave anyway. These things I accept and agree with, but for the feature I'd like it dark. The trailers and such might be okay, but I am there for the movie when all is said and done.
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Ari Nordström
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From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 10-01-2000 04:19 PM
At the annual Göteborg Film Festival, we have strict orders to have the house lights off until the end of the end credits (not counting aisle lights and the like, for safety reasons). Most of the patrons are die-hard cineasts and movie buffs, so they'd never leave a show until it's really over anyway. The downside is that it takes time to get these people out afterwards, and there just doesn't seem to be enough of that between shows.Normally, the house lights stay off until the end credits start, when I turn the sides up to about 60%. The adjusting of light levels is completely manual so I can do it any way I like, as slowly or as fast as I want, and to just about any level in the range. When we still were a commercial theatre, I used to run trailers in an almost dark auditorium, or gradually darken the theatre during the first theatre, so slowly that nobody noticed the actual dimming of the lights which was pretty cool if done with enough patience.
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Wayne Cope
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From: Micanopy, FL, USA
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 10-02-2000 01:52 AM
During the feature, I turn the overhead lighting down to where the bulbs are barely glowing. The theory I have on this is that it provides a sort of frame of reference for those cases when a patron gets up in the darkened auditorium. It is easy to feel a little disoriented when getting up in a darkened room. (That probably won't ever happen to you or me because we work in darkened rooms and are very familiar with our auditoriums.) This is more important at my cinema than some, because we have a riser, or as some people call it, stadium seating.Unfortunately, my theory was put to the test. Someone used to work here that insisted on turning the overhead lights all the way off. Several people fell. The first two were young people. The last one was an elderly patron, and wouldn't you know, this guy finally realized he had a bad idea. I've never heard of a patron falling when I've run a show, with the lights at a mild glow - much less light, by the way, than the typical multiplex. I think lights in most cinemas are way too high. I use a higher light level during previews. Credits light level is all the way up unless there are images in the credits. Another important issue is the amount of stray light hitting the screen, reducing color saturation. I corrected aisle lights at my cinema that were throwing light onto the screen - and turning off the overheads isn't going to help that situation! But that's a topic for another thread.
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Ari Nordström
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From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 10-02-2000 05:00 PM
If I paid to see a film in a theatre and the house lights were still on when the feature started, I'd go out in a hurry and either have them turn the lights off during the show or get my money back. On second thought, I'd probably want my money back anyway since I shouldn't have to go out from the auditorium in the first place.Now, I respect that some of my colleagues might have different ideas about this, but I would never be a part of it, never. If it was company policy, I'd probably quit. Well, either that, or the house lights would malfunction during every single show. There's something very wrong with an auditorium that requires the house lights to be on during a show. Aisle lights and such should be enough, if properly designed. I can stand lights when I watch TV, with compensations such as peanuts and a fridge with a six-pack, or a remote to fast forward the boring parts. But in a theatre, never.
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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 10-03-2000 08:15 PM
Our company recently lost a lawsuit over the auditorium lighting. We had a theater we twined, where the balcony was turned into one theater and the orchestra level was another. (The balcony has steps for each row of seats.) An elderly couple were leaving at the end of a film. The woman tripped on the steps, put her hands out, and broke one of her wrists. There were a total of 12 people in the theater (it holds 170.)The end credits were running, but the ceiling lights were down (at the level as when running a show.) All asile lights were working (a light on the seat standard shines on the steps; one on the left, another on the right, as you walk up.) In other words, the lighting was exactly the same as if we were running a show. The film was a basically true story; "The Newton Boys" (about bank robbers in the 1930's.) While the credits are running, they show an interview with one of the real Newton Boys on the Johnny Carson TV show. The operator had waited until the interview finished- then placed the light cues on because he noticed people staying to watch the interview. So, why did we lose when the lights were the same as during a show? After all, if she tripped during the show, it would have been the same, right? No. Because their sharpie laywer asked for a copy of our own policy manual that simply stated; ".... put 'lights up' cues on when the credits start.." Although we did put cues on, the laywer said we violated our own policy. (He said) the policy didn't say anything about action going on on screen; The policy manual said to put cues on, which we did not do properly. (They were on too late.) He also said that we should have known to bring the lights up right away when "large masses of people" leave an auditorium. So the jury awarded them some money (not much; less than $20,000.) The jury probably thought they were making theaters safer by handing this verdict, but this is what will really happen: 1. Turn on every light in the auditorium at the first credit. This is what we now do, because if we don't, (and someone else sues us) this case provides a "prior precedent" meaning it will be even easier to get money from us. Normal customers lose out seeing a nicer show. 2. Never write a policy manual, or issue a memo about operating procedure. No one can hold you to a standard if there isn't one.
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