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Stephen Furley
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Stephen, that would indeed be a BUSY shift! I wonder, does anyone know if back in the early days of sound (Jazz Singer) if there was 2 operators on duty?

I would guess a lot more than two; well after sound on disk days A Chief, two operators and a rewind boy was quite normal. At least one more than this would seem propable if disks were being used, but I don't know for sure.

In many places, it was a requirement of the regulations to have at least two operators if nitrate was being run.

Some photographs I have seen of a large cinema, probably from the early '60s show at least three operators, all wearing white lab coats, I know one old chief who still wears one today. Apart from film projectors, most large cinemas had at least two follow spots, and quite often slide lantens and Brenographs as well. All this stuff needed operators to run it. Into the '60s Cinerama needed four or five operators, Bradford now does it with one.

Even today, two operators are often used for a complex show, e.g. where numerous clips are being shown during an on-stage interview, using several different gauges and formats of film, or where very old, shrunken, warped film is being used, which needs careful watching, and a projector cannot be left for even a moment while it is running.

Sound on disk was new technology in its day. New technology in its early days may well need extra staff to look after it. I have seen DLP twice, each time there were several people gathered around the projector.

In some ways things have changed greatly, but in others, are they really that different? Most projectionists no longer operate follow spots and Brenographs, but they now have to cope with automation systems, platters, digital sound systems, and even digital projectors, which the old ones did not. I would have absolutely no idea how to set up a platter (anybody in the London area care to show me?)

There may have been four operators to a single screen, but if that screen had four thousand seats, and most shows were sold out, that is only one operator to each thousand tickets sold. If one operator now runs ten screens, the biggest of which only seats a few hundred, and many of which are far from sold out, then the ratio of ticket sales to staff employed isn't so different to what it was.

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Bernard Tonks
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quote:
Stephen, that would indeed be a BUSY shift! I wonder, does anyone know if back in the early days of sound (Jazz Singer) if there was 2 operators on duty?

There's a picture somewhere, Cinema Technology ? of two operators at the Plaza, London West End in 1929, one operator is threading, and the other one is setting up the disc. I would think that it was extremely likely that there was a third operator looking after the other running projector.

Up until 1960 there was always at least two operators running a show.
Most of the large cinemas had three on each shift. After this period single manning was slowly introduced. ABC Cinemas were one of the first in the UK to install an emergency projector shutdown device named A.C.O.P!

Sound-on-Disc days must have been a grind. I've run 2 projector 3D, but that wasn't too bad with 5,000' spools. To name three, the Odeon, Marble Arch. Davis, Croydon. Warner, Leicester Square - all had four projectors and changeovers for 3D. And the Warner ran 3D "House Of Wax" with stereo sound on seperate interlocked soundheads.


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Leo Enticknap
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In many places, it was a requirement of the regulations to have at least two operators if nitrate was being run.

Still is... or at least, it still was in 1992, which was when I last projected a nitrate print to a paying audience.

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Stephen Furley
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I once saw an old advertisment from a company supporting the sound on film side. One advantage they claimed for their system was that [unlike disk] it did not require extra staff. I interpret this as meaning that extra staff were required to handle disks, but that no extra staff were required to look after the amplifier etc. which would be needed for either system. However, if you had a sound person anyway, I suspect he would look after the amplifier, rather than one of the projectionists. Based on this, my guess would be 2 operators, one for each machine, one sound operator, who would fetch each disk as required, and who probably set it up on the start mark, changed the needles and monitored and adjusted the sound as well, one rewind boy, who as well as rewinding would bring each reel in from the rewind room as required, and take it out when finished with, and one chief to oversee all the others, but, at least in smaller theatres, the chief may have doubled as one of the operators, so four or five in total.

This is only a guess, anyone know for sure?

Can you imagine running a twenty screen multiplex with sound on disk? Interlocking could be rather interesting, how about a turntable with several pickup arms, each playing at a different place on the disk at the same time!

Come to think of it, how do you do interlocking with DTS? do you need a second set of disks?


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Scott Norwood
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Yes, you would need a second set of disks to do an interlock between two DTS houses if you wanted both to play in digital. You could burn this yourself (it's just an ISO9660 data CD) or salvage a set from another print of the same film playing in another (non-DTS) auditorium. Even easier would be just to include only one DTS house in the interlock.

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Bernard Tonks
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Gordon wrote,

Morganite made a lamphouse called the autoarc that used a set of rollers to advance the copper coated carbons through the jaws and supported longer carbons. It also autostruck and used a thermostat styled position sensor like the mighty90/futuraII
I always wanted to get a pair of those if any are kicking around cheap

Les Brock wrote,

Favourite Booth. Odeon Leicester Square. Also Nigel makes a mean cup of tea !!!!

Here is the Odeon, Leicester Square in the days of the Victoria Xs and
Elidophor television projector. The Auto-Arcs having been converted to xenon. One of the Victoria X 35/70mm machines has been installed in the projection room of the Projected Picture Trust's Enigma cinema at Bletchley Park.
www.ppttrust.org



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Hillary Charles
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My favorite booth (other than our home theater booth) is the only one in which I worked regularly, so I have no practical comparison. The Colonial Theater in Lebanon, Pa. It was equipped with Simplex E-7's and Simplex optical soundheads. There were mag heads (and the multichannel amp) but I can't remember the manufacturer. The booth was still equipped for dual-projection 3-D as well.

This was what it looked like the last time I saw it, about four years ago. Talk about heartbroken. The owners hadn't repaired a hole in the roof, and in the years since I worked there in the early 1980's, this is the result.

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The theater was demolished in 2000. Actually, the city finished what nature and neglect had begun.

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Josh Jones
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what a sad discusting picture

JJ


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Michael Schaffer
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Mr Tonks,
did you work at the Odeon Marble Arch in the early 80s? Seeing "Return of the Jedi" in that theater on the first weekend (in the summer of 1983?) was one of the greatest movie-going experiences I ever had. In spite of the Ewoks. Most likely 70mm, even though at that time I wasn`t aware of the technical background I recall very clearly that the sound was by far the best I had ever heard in a cinema until that time. And the screen seemed enormously big. How big was it? I haven`t been to London in over ten years, somebody told me that unfortunately, the auditorium was shoeboxed in the 90s.
Michael

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Bernard Tonks
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Michael,

I never worked at the Odeon, Marble Arch, so I can’t help you as to the size of the deep curved D 150 screen, which was later removed for the normal slightly curved type. Yes, unfortunately it is now carved into 5 screens.

I did work in the West End as chief projectionist at the Carlton Theatre, Haymarket 1968 – 1972. After which I did a freelance spell for 9 months at the Columbia, Shaftsbury Avenue, Philips DP70 projectors.



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Peter Hall
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Fedi's installed in the University of Kent in Cantebury, two with BB conversions and changeovers. They also have two spare machines (ex Mr Youngs Preview Rooms screen 2) for spares..

Leo - surely you could list York as a contender for favorite booth ? Air conditioned, carpet, CCTV view of the pretty young things on the floor plus a historic river view !

My favorite is the Bridgeway Auckland NZ - sits under the harbour bridge, booth opens up to the top of the canopy - perfect for a post-changeover bottle of the managers' home brew, watching the boats sail by and the sun set..

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Leo Enticknap
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Peter - yes, the air conditioning at York was great, though for overall working environment I'd have to vote for Exeter out of the City Screen booths. There was enough space to work comfortably, even if you had lots of prints in there, but having everything in one booth made it possible to get to either screen very quickly, which was a real help for tight turnarounds. One of those split units would have made it perfect! The only drawback with York was having to take a made-up print on a collar to screen 3, along a corridor crammed with queueing customers, turn the show round and get back again in time to catch screen 1 three minutes later.

I think my favourite booth would have to be MOMI as was (now NFT3), for the sheer range of equipment in there, the variety of films we got to show and the general atmosphere at the South Bank before BFI political correctness made it all go nasty. Its only quirk was that (in those days), there was no motorised masking - you had to go down and adjust it with a pulley. As there were never any ads or trailers with NFT shows, this didn't really matter though.

Least favourite booth - the one behind a lecture theatre at Exeter University out of which the film society operated. It was about the size of two lavatory cubicles and contained two GK-37s, rectifiers, sound rack and a Westrex tower. The temperature would easily hit 35 degrees in there during a show (the lamphouses were ventilated, but the projectionist wasn't). Enough said.

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Jamie Sanson
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HI Frank . MY list is cinemecannica Vic 9 mount on a stand ,5 mount on a console , GB Kaylee 21 all time favourite

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Stephen Furley
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Leo, when were you at MOMI? I have just looked at your photo, and I think I remember seeing you there.

I like NFT1, and will be sorry when it goes, I haven't heard anything about the new BFI centre recently, and there was certainly no sign of any construction taking place the last time I walked past the site. NFT2 is another matter, Just one asile down one side makes it difficult to get in and out, the front rows are too close to the screen, the screen is also too high from those rows, if you are sitting at the back, the ceiling is very low, due to the projection box jutting out into the auditorium, giving it a rather claustrophobic feel. The auditorium is rather long and narrow, but at least that is useful for showing 3D.

Then there is the projection box, because of way it's positiond inside the auditorium, the throw is short, it's not too bad with the 35mm machines, being in the centre, but with that platform on the right with the video gear etc, the 16mm machines have to be way off axis, it's equal to having six machines in that short a throw, the keystoning from the left-hand one, both vertical and horizontal is terrible, this machine is also very close to the left wall of the box, which, as it's a left-handed machine, must make access to it rather difficult. When I visited the box I couldn't believe the crazy angle this machine is at. Sadly most of the material I see at the NFT is in 2, and in the past a lot of it was on 16mm, today it's more likely to be on video.

What are the windows high up on the right-hand wall of the auditorium?

MOMI (now NFT3) is not bad, 70mm in there looked good, only having one 16mm and one sound follower did limit it somewhat, compared to the other two. It was the only one of the three to later have 1" C format installed. I'm not sure if it's still there, but I did see it used quite a few times.

Before MOMI closed there was a still from 'The Smallest Show on Earth' on the windows of the projection box. The acient projectos shown, I think they were Kalee 8s or 11s, or something similar, were probably about 35 years old when the film was made, younger than the DP70s which were then in use in MOMI.

I saw the Kalee 20s when they were still in place, but out of use, for the old NFT3, complete with mechanical interlock (metal bar) for 3D, they later went to Bletchley Park, but I never saw the auditorium, it had been converted to an office then. it must have been very small, how many did it seat?

It's a pity the gold shutters, I can't call them a curtain, in NFT1 are no longer used, they were rather noisy, but they were unique to the place. Whenever you see old photographs on intervies taking place on the stage those shutters are always there, and you know at once where it is.

The loss of the bookshop is also to be regretted. The NFT is not what it was, I am renewing my membersip this year, but this may be the last time, I am thinking about moving to North Yorkshire, in the not too distant future.


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Leo Enticknap
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My time at MOMI was 91-92. The windows in NFT2 are the commentary box. When a foreign-language film is shown without subtitles, an interpreter sits in there hearing the soundtrack through headphones. [S]he then speaks a translation into a microphone which is played through headphones which are stored between the arm rests of each seat when not in use.

It was a pain in the bum having those 'EC' shows - we had to play pink noise and test every single pair to check that they worked. Thankfully I never had to do that for all 552 seats in NFT1...

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