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Tom Kroening
Expert Film Handler

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From: Janesville, WI USA
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 10-09-2000 12:37 PM

Hey I just had the opportunity of building up the 13 reel "Lawrence of Arabia" for a college in my city. I'll probably watch it with them tonight since i've heard so much about the movie. I do have a question though. On reel 8 i saw there was an intermission so i put a showend cue on it. When i took reel 9 out I saw there was a bunch of black with a soundtrack (i assume some music). What I ended up doing was to change my showend cue to a cue that brings the lights up. At the end of the black I have the lights going back down. Is this how I'm supposed to show this movie?

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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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posted 10-09-2000 12:58 PM

This is how I run the 70mm print of LOA
at the end of reel 8 allenby and lawrence are walking away from the camera and I cue stage lights as the Intermission logo comes up
When it comes up house up
Music continues for about 1/2min to a minute after the fade out
There is 4min 15 sec of intro music on reel 9mwith no pix
I start the projector and bring house to half at the beginning of the music at the 4min point I bring the stage lights down and open the dowser for the 1st pix 15 sec later

Also there is a intro music on the beginning of reel1 with no picture and the music conitnues to exit after last frame of pix
enjoy the grandeur of a genuine 65mm neg stunning photography by freddie young

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Ian Price
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From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99

posted 10-09-2000 01:34 PM

I love running this film. I last ran it 10 years ago. It has one of the two best intermissions for a movie theatre.

In LOA 5 minutes before the intermission Lawrence and an Arab boy stumble in to the British officer's club in Cairo after having crossed the desert and loseing the other boy. Lawrence walks up to the bar and orders two lemonaids. I used to sell 5 gallons of lemonaid for each sold out show. I dumped fruit punch for a month.

In Gone with the Wind, our star has witnessed the burning of Atlanta, and has gone home to her Tara to find it in ruins and there is no money. She then digs up a turnup by hand, takes a big bite and says, "As God is my witness, I will never go hungry again!" Intermission.

It does wonders for your percap.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 10-09-2000 01:57 PM

Ian: Great idea to stock up on the lemonaid! Really neat when your concessions can tie in to a theme in the movie.

Tom: Also might be a good idea to post some pages from Marty Hart's American Widescreen Museum:
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/loa1.htm

Don't forget the "FlikFx" version of Lawrence of Arabia to show how this masterpiece can best be transferred to video:
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/flikfx/default.htm

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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posted 10-09-2000 02:21 PM

"He likes your lemonade." (I've never thought of theatres' selling lemonade while showing Lawrence, but it's a great idea...)
Great film. I've never had the chance to show this in a theatre. The only film with an intermission that I've run is "GWTW" (not my favorite movie) in "new" IB Tech. GWTW is really annoying, since R7, which comes right after the intermission and contains the walk-in music, is only about 10-12 minutes long and it's easy to be caught by surprise with how fast the changeover comes up right after starting the second half of the show.
Anyway, back to LoA, Gordon is (as usual) correct--there's walk-in music at the start of R1 and walk-out music after the "Intermission" tag. After the intermission, there's more walk-in music, and walk-out music after the final fade-out. BTW, if you're showing this on a platter system, it's probably easiest to put the first half on one platter and the second half on another one. That way, you don't have to stand next to the projector to stop and re-start the film at exactly the right point.
Enjoy this show; if it's 70mm, you're in for a real treat. It's still good in 35mm , of course, but 70mm is a completely different experience.

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Gordon McLeod
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posted 10-09-2000 03:20 PM

70mm is an experience everything else is just a movie

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Tom Kroening
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From: Janesville, WI USA
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 10-09-2000 03:40 PM

Damn... i should have left that showend cue on then. Our automation lets us run in intermission mode so it will stop the projector til you press start... But i guess there's a 5 minute intermission right now (cuz i built it all on one platter).

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Tom Kroening
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From: Janesville, WI USA
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posted 10-09-2000 04:01 PM

Actually, here's my idea... i'm going to watch the movie tonight and as soon as the intermission comes up i'll book upstairs and turn the lights to full and fade the walk in music out (because i can't get upstairs fast enough to stop it before the changeover). Ill have to ask the instructer how long he wants the intermission.

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John Wilson
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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 10-09-2000 04:40 PM

Ian said...>>In LOA 5 minutes before the intermission Lawrence and an Arab boy stumble in to the British officer's club in Cairo after having crossed the desert and loseing the other boy. Lawrence walks up to the bar and orders two lemonaids. I used to sell 5 gallons of lemonaid for each sold out show.<<

It also helps to add a little bit of 'heating' to the cinema at that point.

Would I do that???

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Tom Kroening
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From: Janesville, WI USA
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posted 10-09-2000 09:46 PM

Well, I got all 13 reels in the right place and spliced correctly! The film was in excellent condition for being 11 years old. I had print #3. Reel 2 was a bit scuffed up and i think #10 had a scratch down the left side. The instructor told me not to stop the movie at intermission... the house lights thing worked great. I really enjoyed that movie!

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Ian Price
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From: Denver, CO
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posted 10-10-2000 05:20 PM

Well if he got 13 reels on one platter the film is 35mm. You can't get 13 reels of 70mm on one platter.

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John Wilson
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posted 10-10-2000 06:37 PM

You can if it's 15/70.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 10-11-2000 01:29 PM

But those 15/70 rolls are only about 3 minutes of running time each. If we use the IMDb director's cut running time of 216 minutes, that's equivalent to 72 minutes in 15/70.

When I assemble a typical 15/70 40 minute feature I fill up about 4 standard 70mm house reels.

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Dick Vaughan
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From: Bradford, West Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 10-12-2000 02:00 AM

So if you have the big platters that were installed to run Fantasia 2000 in 1570 you could put a fullprint of LOA in 570 on them.

MMM!!! theres an idea hooking up a Victoria 8 to an extended play Imax platter

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Stefan Scholz
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From: Schoenberg, Germany
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 10-16-2000 04:44 AM

LOA in 5/70 worked on Kinotone ST 270, even with my 237 min / 1963 print. The platter just had problems keeping speed with the mass of film.

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