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Topic: Conversion from Arc Lamps to Xenon
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Scott Norwood
Film God
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-28-2000 09:59 AM
But the throw distance isn't the determining factor for lamp size--the screen size is far more important. For a screen just over 30 feet, you probably could get away with 2k lamps, but 3k lamps would probably be preferable. You'll want to have a tech come out and do measurements, though.
I would make the point, though, that if you are only running films occasionally you will probably save money by keeping the arc lamps, as long as they are in good shape. The cost of buying xenon lamphouses (even used ones) and havign them installed, along with the cost of a set of lamps, will probably be far more than the cost of a couple years' worth of carbons. If you're running five shows a day, though, xenons will make far more sense, of course...
I agree that carbons make no sense in a new installation, but if you already have the lamps installed and they seem to work fine, why bother changing? There's nothing worse than a theatre that is getting good illumination with carbon and then installs underpowered xenon lamps, causing brightness to drop from "acceptible" to "nonexistant."
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Randy Loy
Expert Film Handler
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Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 10-28-2000 10:51 AM
Hmmm...Scott and Ken have me thinking that maybe we should stick with what we've got...Scott hit the nail right on the head when he mentioned only doing a few films per year. The theatre does mostly live stuff these days and films aren't as frequent as I'd like. I'm trying to change that though. In answer to Ken's question about the lamp house types that we have a line on, we know where there are a set of 3,000 watt Xenex lamps and a set of 1,500 watt Strong lamps. (rectifiers available for both). I figured the 1,500 watters were too small for the application but bet the 3,000's would work. My only hesitation about hanging onto the arc lamps is a concern about continued availability of carbons. If it looks like we can still get them, even if a bit pricey, I wouldn't mind sticking with carbon arc. I just love the sound of the lamp running when I throw the knife switch and the "poof" when I stike the arc!
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 10-28-2000 06:06 PM
Do you find that you have a lot of particulate matter (low flying clouds/fog/heavy smoking)in your air? If not, throw has next to 0 effect on lamp size required (as others have now pointed out).With a 34' wide screen, you are going to want about 3000 watts. Try and avoid 2500 watts since they are often the xenon lamp manufacturer's worst lamp in the cost/hour range...normally a 3000 can be run like a 2500 without any difficulty in any event. I would tend to agree with others that you should look at the total cost of going over to xenon and add up how many carbons you could get for that much (also factor in lamphouse parts and possible part failures to which no replacement parts are available). I wouldn't convert to xenon just because it is trendy. You will have to determine if converting is cost effective. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 10-28-2000 09:24 PM
All right smartty-paints... (that would be Gordon)...then let him use 101.6mm (4") lenses....there you can have a less efficent f/1.7 which should yeild about as much light as a modern f/2.0-f/2.4 :-)In all seriousness...the B&L Super-Cinephores (Silver and Red) in the 4" dia. were excellent lenes...they were even coated. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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