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Dustin Mitchell
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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
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 - posted 11-03-2000 07:14 PM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So, I know FilmGaurd is better, but I've discovered 3 full bottles of Xecote in our booth and was wondering how it is applied and what benefits it provides.

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 11-03-2000 09:54 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As I understand it, you apply XECOTE with a QTIP swab in the form of an X on the side of the film as it sits on the platter. This is how it was explained to me, however I chucked out two cases of the crap. Its worthless IMHO.

And by the way, its nice to be back.

Dave

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 11-03-2000 10:36 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
First, if you use Film-Guard DON'T use Xe-Kote. Xe-Kote contains a solvent and Film-Guard contains a certain kind of oil. The solvent removes the oil and undoes all the good that the Film-Guard does.
(That's a simplified explanation, I know)

Second, DON'T put Xe-Kote directly on the film. It's not good for polyester film. You'll wreck it!

The PROPER way to use Xe-Kote (IMHO)

1) Clean your trap and shoe and intermittent pad shoe. Clean them well. Get ALL the black and purple crusty crap off the rails, etc.

2) If you used something else on your traps. Clean them with alcohol and let them dry. (Use a Q-Tip) I occasionally use alcohol anyway because I'm anal. Just make sure it's all good and clean.

3) Dip your clean Q-Tip in the Xe-Kote and tap it off on the rim of the bottle. You don't want it dripping wet. All you have to do is rub the stuff on your tension bands, your shoe rails and intermittent pad shoes.
That's it.

4) Only put the stuff on the film-bearing surfaces. Don't put it on the aperture plate or on the pad rollers or anywhere else.

5) Use the minimum amount. The stuff contains wax. That wax will collect dirt and junk if you use too much.

6) Do this every day. Xe-Kote doesn't last like Film-Guard does.

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Brad Miller
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If you absolutely must use this, just make sure you completely wipe the areas of the projector you have cleaned with this product dry before you run any film. Even if you are not using FilmGuard, various issues have turned up when using that with polyester base film. I've been to theaters that use it as an edge-lubricant, but their prints are incredibly nasty and their platter rollers have so much goo on them they are fuzzy. <yuk!>

In short, if you must use it, use it only on the projector head and wipe it dry before running film.

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John Walsh
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 - posted 11-03-2000 11:22 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Personally, I never saw much use for Xecoat. The old timers I was trained by wouldn't let anyone use it.

The only exception I made was when running black and white print stock. Applying it to the gate/trap runners kept that hard white shedding powder away a few weeks longer.

But, that was the only use I could find for the stuff, and that was based on experience from a fairly long time ago. I used it for running films; "Zelig", "Broadway Danny Rose" and, "She's Gotta Have It."

I would like to get a film(s) like those again and try Film-Guard, to see how it would work.

I remember running, "She's Gotta Have It" and after about 4 weeks, it was shedding so badly, that (starting with a clean projector) by the end of the film, the build-up on the gate/trap rails was such that if one side of the ending credits was in focus, the other side was so out that it could not even be read.

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Dustin Mitchell
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After reading your comments I'll just throw it out. Just wanted to know if it had any use.

And no, I have no media cleaner, so I only use FG to clean up our old policy and sound format trailers.

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Bruce McGee
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 - posted 11-04-2000 06:38 AM      Profile for Bruce McGee   Email Bruce McGee   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wouldn't xecote be good for somebody (like me) that hand-inspects everything and uses cleaner (in a well vented area) to remove all adhesive, tape, etc?

I'm still using Pic-clear!

Bruce

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 11-04-2000 06:44 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've used Xecote for cleaning splicers and projector gates and it seems to be OK (and better than alcohol/lighter fluid). It never occurred to me that anyone would actually try to put the stuff on film, which sounds like a really bad idea, although I've never tried it...

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 11-04-2000 07:57 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Xe-Kote contains wax. It isn't really a "cleaner" per-se but a "lubricant".
It's 1/2 triclorotthane (or freon, if you have Xe-Kote II) and 1/2 wax). The solvent evaporates and leaves a thin coat of wax behind.

The ONLY use for it, nowadays, is to lubricate your film-bearing surfaces in your gate. If you want to use a "cleaner" you have to use Xe-Klean. (Also pretty much junk)

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 11-04-2000 10:28 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Its best to just toss it in the trash. Use Filmguard instead.
Mark

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 11-04-2000 11:32 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Xe-Kote contains a solvent and a hard wax lubricant. It is useful for cleaning and lubricating the film-contacting surfaces of the gate and rollers. (But be careful to keep it out of bearings). It is a fairly good cleaner for greasy fingerprints or grease pencil marks on film, or for oily dirt. Since the solvent evaporates quickly, it is difficult to clean long lengths of film. You should use Xe-Kote with good ventilation, and wear chemically resistant gloves to protect your skin from irritation. Do NOT throw it in the trash or dump it down the drain --- either use it as intended, or discard it in an environmentally sound manner.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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Dustin Mitchell
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In that case John it will have to continue to clutter my booth until the county clean sweep in the spring .

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Gordon McLeod
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Give it to the competition

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Kevin Crawford
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 - posted 11-05-2000 12:51 AM      Profile for Kevin Crawford   Email Kevin Crawford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would have to say that it is probably best used to clean the splicer. It eats away the glue residue very well.

Now as to its other uses. Aside from eating a hole in the Ozone, I find that it can make a dreary booth a much more habitable place to work. I like to put some on a rag, and walk around the booth with the rag over my nose. Then later in the evening, mix some Film Guard with WD 40 and Coke/Pepsi and kill your liver. After all, why get into this business if not to destroy your body and avoid sunlight?

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 11-05-2000 01:49 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Xe-Kote does work quite well for getting "goo" off of scissor blades. If nothing else, keep it around for that.

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