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Topic: anyone using the new Harkness Hall P1M (microperfored 0.5mm) screen ?
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David Baum
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From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 11-23-2000 07:51 PM
hihow is it ( gain, color accuracy, does the front speakers need much equalization compared to the 1.2mm perfored models ?). thanks David
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 11-27-2000 08:08 AM
SMPTE Recommended Practice RP 95 specifies "Installation of Gain Screens". Because a gain screen is directional, and acts somewhat like a mirror, it needs to be properly curved to reflect the projector's light back to the center of the audience. Ideally, this is done by ray tracing (angle of incidence = angle of reflection), but some simple "rules of thumb" are sometimes used to choose the proper screen radius and angle of tilt.RP 95 suggests the radius of the screen curvature should be (Projection distance + Distance Between the screen and audience center) / 2. So if the throw is 100 feet, and the center of the audience is 50 feet from the screen, the radius of the screen curvature should be (100 + 50) / 2 = 75 feet. Matte white screens should always be installed "flat". But unless gain screens have the proper curvature, getting uniform illumination throughout the auditorium will be difficult. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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posted 11-28-2000 04:54 PM
"Matte white screens should always be installed "flat"."Well, you've got a few people to tell about that little tidbit! I hate curved screens in all aspects. Every curved screen I've ever seen (even AMC's compound curved ones) causes geometric distortions of the image. I do not like the THX Broadway rectangle "smiling" at me and every tall building "leaning" inward!
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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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posted 11-28-2000 09:56 PM
Gordon,Please point me to one done properly. I'd like to see it. At a previous screening room I had set up, I took a string with a Sharpie marker on one end and the other end tied to the aperture and drew lines on the walls where the screen was to go (all 4 sides) and I was wholly unimpressed with the result and "bent straight lines" was annoying as always. The projector was not at any vertical angle either nor was in a position for horizontal keystoning. Now how much more accurate can you get than with a string??? That curved screen was replaced a few weeks later with a FLAT screen and I noticed no distortion whatsoever, focus was razor sharp corner to corner and although I didn't measure the difference with a light meter, I was well satisfied with the light dispersion on the flat screen. I think Dave Bird put it best a couple of posts above, curved screens are an advertising gimmick for 35mm presentations. Rory, Be careful with the older "Dolby A" versions of the THX Broadway trailer, they were printed significantly high in frame! The old "DTS only" versions were the same way. The "SRD only" and "SDDS only" and the new "multi track" Broadways are the only ones properly centered in frame.
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John Pytlak
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posted 11-29-2000 06:33 AM
Matte white (gain=1) screens should NOT be curved. High gain screens installed in relatively wide auditoriums SHOULD be curved, per SMPTE Recommended Practive RP 95. Ideally, the curve should be optimized by ray tracing, to reflect the light back to the center of the audience. But the "rule of thumb" curve of having a radius of (Projection distance + Distance between screen and audience center) / 2 is NOT a deeply curved screen, and should not cause a major problem with distortion or focus uniformity. Deeply curved screens were used for Cinerama and D-150, the idea being to "surround" the audience and engage their peripheral vision. Distortion was an issue, especially in seats away from the "sweet spot" of the auditorium. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Frank Prete
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From: Victoria, Australia
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 11-29-2000 04:02 PM
Brad, Unfortunate that you haven't seen any curved screens that look good. I can think of plenty that not only look good as you enter the auditorium, but look great once the show starts. Next time your in Australia, I'll show you a few of my favourites which are sure to change your opinion. Getting back to the original question, I am yet to see any micro-perf screens yet, but I am wondering if cinemas are starting to install them to be ready for 'digital' cinema? Frank.
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