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Topic: What is everyone using for a light meter !
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 11-26-2000 10:47 PM
Cheapest one I've seen costs about $1,800 to $2,000!It's been said that you could kludge a regular photographic meter IF it has a narow enough field of view. You'd have to compare it against a "regular" light meter then determine a "fudge" factor. (1) Not very convenient, having to take a reading then multiply or divide by some number all the time. (2) You have to have a "regular" meter to compate with in the first place, meaning you have to either buy one or know someone who would let you borrow theirs. -- Why not just borrow it and use THAT?! PS: Mr. Pytlak is the expert on this. He wrote an article in Film Notes. Ninety percent of what I know comes from reading that article. I forget what issue it was, but I bet it's on the Manual Downlads page.
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John Pytlak
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posted 11-27-2000 08:38 AM
Here are the two recent Cinema Notes articles I wrote about measuring screen luminance: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/notes/march2000/pytlak.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/notes/june2000/pytlak.shtml The Minolta LS-100 and the SpectraCine CineSpot SC-600 were specifically designed to measure screen luminance. The UltraStereo Labs PSA-200 Projection System Analyzer is really handy, since it looks at the entire screen at once, and allows you to see the effect of any lamphouse alignment changes on uniformity using a laptop computer display. Using a less expensive spot photometer to measure light is an option, but it needs to be calibrated to read correctly for xenon light, and the 48 interruptions per second of the shutter. Many photographic meters are only accurate to within 1/3 of a stop, which is not enough to tell the difference between 12 and 16 footlamberts, but if properly calibrated, they are better than not measuring at all. One idea is to purchase a Minolta LS-100, SpectraCine SC-600, USL PSA-200, or similar "real" screen luminance meter, and SHARE it among several theatres in a city. A $3000 meter to properly set up and maintain 50 or 60 screens is certainly a worthwhile investment in quality. With reasonable care, these meters will last for many years. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 11-28-2000 12:09 PM
Thanks, Bill:You're correct that having to consult a conversion table between Exposure Value (EV) and footlamberts is a real pain. Here's your meter's table: EV 7 = 5.2276 footlamberts EV 8 = 10.455 footlamberts EV 9 = 20.91 footlamberts EV 10 = 41.821 footlamberts Looking at the conversion table, it's easy to see that these meters have considerable compression of the scale. As I noted, reading most of these photographic spotmeters closer than 1/3 of a stop (EV value) is difficult, and 1/3 of a stop (EV) separates each of these footlambert values: 4 5 6.25 8 10 12.5 16 20 25 32 (Standard SMPTE 196M specifies an aim of 16 footlamberts (55 candelas/square metre), and an allowed range for theatres of 12 to 22 footlamberts). I agree using ANY properly calibrated spotmeter is better than using NO meter. As I suggested, perhaps a few theatres in each city could get together to purchase and SHARE a "real" calibrated screen luminance meter that reads directly in footlamberts (or candelas per square metre), and circulate it for a weekly check of screen luminance of all the screens in each theatre. Dare I say COOPERATE with each other to improve quality? ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 11-28-2000 01:19 PM
Rory:Since SpectraCine is in Burbank CA, where you are located, why not go there in person? You can probably talk to the technician doing the calibration. Show them the discrepancies in person. FACTORY SERVICE CENTER SPECTRA CINE RESEARCH, CORPORATION 3605 W. Magnolia Blvd Burbank, CA 91505 Jose A. Najar- Service Manager Tel: 818 954 9222 Fax: 818 954 0016 http://www.spectracine.com/repair.htm Proper calibration does require an optical bench and "standard" light source, or at least a "reference" meter traceable to NIST or ISO standards. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Pytlak
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posted 11-30-2000 05:46 AM
Kodak owns several PSA 200 Projection System Analyzers. They are very useful for setting final lamphouse alignment and focus, as they provide a display of screen uniformity measured in the auditorium, but conveniently displayed on a laptop screen that can be positioned in the booth. There is some cabling, boot-up, and set-up time required, so a handheld meter is more convenient for a "quick check" of luminance and uniformity. If you are a service tech who does lots of complete lamphouse alignments, the PSA is very handy. For day-to-day checks in a theatre, a handheld meter will probably find more use.The USL website has more information, including the SMPTE paper about the PSA presented by Roger Hibbard and Jack Cashin: http://www.uslinc.com/ ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Walsh
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
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posted 11-13-2003 04:55 PM
Bringing up an old topic....
We are looking for a second light meter. The Sekonic L-508 Cine Zoom Master was suggested. I seem to remember reading somewhere that, since it 'sampled' the light at a slower rate than the 48 flashes per second MP projectors operate at, it was not suitable for theater use. But as I check the info at the web site, it says it does have adjustable FPS setting. here
Pentex Digital Spotmeter was also suggested, but again I don't know if it's suitable. here
For a 'second' meter, I would be happy with one that was only accurate to +- 1fL. We have a LS100 for critical measurements, or to check cheaper meters.
Any suggestions....? [ 11-14-2003, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: John Walsh ]
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