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Ethan Harper
E-dawggg!!!

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From: Plano, TX, USA
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 12-22-2000 07:24 PM      Profile for Ethan Harper   Email Ethan Harper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Has anyone gotten or seen the I.B. Tech print of Family Man? Just curious.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-22-2000 08:55 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I got two. One was a regular Deluxe print and the other was a Technicolor dye transfer print. The dye transfer print was magnificent! Absolutely PERFECT registration and excellent contrast, sharpness and color saturation.

The regular Deluxe print was all of the above, just reversed. It was quite bland.

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Jason Black
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 - posted 12-24-2000 11:13 PM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad, COuld you explain to me what exactly an I.B. print is? I'm not sure I'm able to follow what you mean here....

Thanks for the schooling..

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 12-25-2000 08:05 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I.B. Tech. is the abbreviation for "Imbibation printing". That's the process that was originally used to make color film. (Well, at least in major releases.)

It involves using a special camera that has three color filters in it and uses three strips of film. Each piece of film is exposed through a filter to get a record for the red, green and blue parts of the color spectrum. (Okay, it's cyan, magenta and yellow. I'm trying to simplify, here.)

At the lab those three strips, called "matrices" (plural of "matrix"), are put through a machine that dips them in dye and presses them up against a blank piece of film, called a "receiver stock". After the C-M-Y matrices are printed on the receiver, you have a color print.

Okay, this is WAY simplified but I think it's enough to get you understanding things...

Essentially, if you've ever heard the phrase, "In glorious TECHNICOLOR!!!" That's what they are talking about. Nowadays, Technicolor doesn't actually make "Technicolor", ecxept for the occasional "special" print. Since standard, "tri-pack" color film was invented and perfected there's not as much call for I.B. Tech. It's just soooooo... expensive!
(Quadruple the amount of film to make your first print and then add processing costs.)


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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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 - posted 12-25-2000 11:40 AM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Another common name for IB Tech is 'dye transfer'

The give-away difference between a dye-transfer print and a standard Eastman print is the soundtracks (both the analog and most obvious the SDDS if the print has one) are BLACK AND WHITE (read: dark gray) rather than the blue/green SDDS or the black/magenta analog track of a standard Eastman print.

The advantages of IB?

1. it will NEVER fade. The colors will look the same decades from now!

2. in most cases the colors will be brighter or more vibrant, especially the reds! Also the blacks on most IB prints are VERY black rather than gray or greenish-gray on eastman prints...


Aaron


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Jason Black
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 - posted 12-26-2000 12:55 AM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
WOW. I never knew this.. If the soundtrack (SDDS & SR-D) being grey/black is the tell tale sign, I *think* I have gotten many of these in the past few years.. of course, with 16 screens, you'd think that if they still make them, my chances of widing up with them are greater than many, many others...

I'll have to keep my eye our for them in the booth and remember to watch one just to see if *I* can pick up the nuiances...

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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 - posted 12-26-2000 09:20 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Also look at the labels on the cans: Though not 100% reliable, they usually offer a clue-

Most IB prints shipped via TES will have the green label and somewhere on the label will say 'IB DYE', as well as in most cases have a low print number.

With ETS, the label can read 'MATRIX' (not to be confused with the Keanu Reeves movie) or 'IB' or 'DYE XFER' (I have seen all three of these designations on prints of GWTW and Wizard Of Oz). Low print numbers usually as well.

Aaron

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 12-28-2000 06:22 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Marty Hart's "American Widescreen Museum" website has quite a bit of information about the Technicolor dye transfer (Imbibition) process, including links to other sites:
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicolor1.htm

Obviously, you can also check out the Technicolor website:
http://www.technicolor.com/site.html

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Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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