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Josh Jones
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Posts: 1207
From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 01-15-2001 01:32 PM
Ok, heres the scoop....
Sunday night I was inspecting a print I bought two days ago. Reel 1 had 12 splices, reel 3 had 19 splices. I wouldn't mind if they were in frame, but almost all of them were diagnal and one even crossed two frames! How the hell can a preson have the film(mylar of all things)break this often? My plea to you is this; If you do not care about how you treat your prints, please for our sake, find another job. Poorly run multiplexes have already taken their tole on whatever pride there was in this buisness. Cause I swear, If I find the punk that did this I'd skin him alive. Also, I am planning to redo all the splices. would ultrasonic splices be better than tape? I really hate using tape because of the gunk it leaves behind. As for the rest of you out there trying to make this media all it can be, my hats off to youThank you Josh
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 01-15-2001 02:55 PM
I suspect someone "spilled" that print on the floor, and had to tear it apart and splice it together again to untangle it.Read the April 2000 review of Ultrasonic Splicers in the Reviews section. A well-made ultrasonic splice is very reliable, and doesn't have the adhesive problems of tape (sticky splices, stretching, etc.). But the splicers are much more expensive than a tape splicer. ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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John Walsh
Film God
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 01-15-2001 02:56 PM
Josh, the (projection) world would be a better place if people listened to you....!All you can do is fix things and keep going. Ask your manager for a replacement reel, making sure you tell the exchange that you received the bad reel this way. Usually, the sooner the better- if you wait until the run is over, they might not beleive you. Ultrasonic splices are better than tape, but few places will spend the money for one. I don't think I would pull apart a *properly* made tape splice just to replace it with an ultrasonic splice. The ultrasonic splicer requires the film ends to overlap, which means you would have to cut off part of two frames for each splice. (The previous theater probably tangled up the film somehow and cut it with scissors while untangling it, which is why the diagnal cuts.) Personally, I don't think ultrasonic splicers are worth buying for use at a regular multiplex theater. They are expensive, require some small skill to use, have a power cord, (a hassle when splicing at the platter). I feel it would be better to buy two or three regular splicers with the same money.
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 01-15-2001 03:29 PM
Are those diagonal splices actually cut that way, or do they just look random? The reason I ask is that there are some splicers that are made to do that. If I'm not mistaken they are supposed to be for cutting negatives and making splices in soundtracks. Something about the diagonal splice line making less noise or something. I'm not sure I've only read about it. I've had a print or two come in where the idiot who "fixed" the film just butted the two ragged edges back together again and taped over them! I'd like to get my hands on those people! I just think people don't even comprehend what they are doing, though. Yelling at them probably wouldn't have an effect.
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timothy johnson
Film Handler
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From: minneapolis, mN 55419
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 01-15-2001 05:11 PM
Josh, not to worry, I am able to hook you up with replacement reels, I sent you a seperate email regarding this.. and speaking of bad cinema presentations, a friend of mine in Red Wing, MN saw "vertical limit" and he said the framing was off so bad they saw microphones,stage props, and film crew holding the mechanical wires for the actors, he complained to the management and they did not know how to fix the framing, I told him to complain directly to the company that runs the movie theater in Red Wing, he said it was the last straw after several complaints...you think for $6.00 you get to see a movie without microphones in the picture..
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Josh Jones
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Posts: 1207
From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 01-15-2001 07:22 PM
one of the splices did have green parallel scratches. here, see for yourself....  Yucky, huh? Josh
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 01-15-2001 09:12 PM
A diagonal cut tape splicer is used on magnetic sound stock and audio tape because the tape cannot cover the oxide, and it can only be taped on the base side. A one-sided tape splice would tend to fold up when bent around a roller, whereas the diagonal cut maintains its stiffness.Diagonal cuts should NOT be used on picture material, as they will be very visible on the screen. ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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Bruce McGee
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1776
From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 01-16-2001 09:10 AM
Lets back-up a minute. A few posts back, there were comments made about rips in the film that were butted together and taped. I bought (and I do MEAN Bought  ) 80 features that a guy had. All of the prints had the head and tail of each reel ripped off and the rest of each reel was in 3-4 pieces. All I had to do was sort out all the pieces and join the ripped ends together. So far, all the prints that I have rebuilt are in good shape and there is not one frame missing in the body of any of the reels. Head and tail leaders are an exception. Maybe it is just me, but we are dealing with USED films here. I personally have no problems with repaired damage that caused no loss of frames. So you will not think that everything I own is well-used, and splicy, I have several titles that are in excellent condition with no splices in many of the reels. These prints were the exception, but overall, the prints are fine. Sure, I'd like to own perfect prints, but who has the money to do this? I used to see $40 features in the Big Reel. Never again! 
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