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Topic: Strange complaint about focus
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Michael Barry
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 584
From: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-17-2001 09:44 AM
Last night I was contacted by the staff who asked me to check focus in one of the cinemas (showing 'Lucky Numbers'). They told me that a couple had walked out and had complained that the focus was drifting in and out constantly. The customer said it was so bad that they couldn't stand it any longer and wanted to leave. They were offered passes for another time.The wierd part was that I had fine-focused at the start of the feature and had checked all the screens constantly, including that one and hadn't seen any problems. Nonetheless, when I received the complaint, I ran down to check and it was tack-sharp. One of the characters was wearing a chequered jacket and each square was perfectly defined. You could clearly make out individual strands of hair. I stood and watched for about 10 minutes and it stayed sharp throughout. Note that this print has played in this auditorium for about a week, several sessions a day without any issues...I did not touch the focus knob at any time from the moment I received the complaint and noted that the end credits were razor sharp, like someone had taken a letraset and rubbed off letters onto the screen. No focus problems and no drift whatsoever, yet the customers who left felt otherwise. Has anyone experienced this sort of thing before? The frustrating part is that you usually don't get to talk to the customer directly, so you hear it second hand and by that time it's too late - they have already left. Could it be some of the shallow depth-of-field photography in this movie that the customer could be confusing with out-of-focus projection? There's not many of these shots in it and there are many deep-focus shots there, too...what's going on?
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Andrew McCrea
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 645
From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-17-2001 09:51 AM
I was at "DOUBLE BILL" at SilverCity when theywere showing Scary Movie followed by Boys & Girls and the trailers were all blurry. I was offered no pass so they told me to "piss off kid" when I told them.Nice place hunh? Anyways... No clue Mike! I guess patrons can always lie!
------------------ Andrew McCrea "I'm Not Bad, I'm Just Drawn That Way!" - Jessica Rabbit
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-17-2001 01:09 PM
Michael:Since you monitor the focus several times during each show and saw no problem, and you actually went into the auditorium for a closer look right after the complaint and saw no problem, and no one else complained, I would agree this couple was just looking for free passes. Your practice of checking focus frequently is commendable, and one important part of "doing film right". ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Walsh
Film God
Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 02-19-2001 08:09 AM
Sometimes, subtitles are "burned-in" on a release print with a laser. If only a few subtitled prints are needed, this is usually how it's done. They are on a different focal plane, so you have to decide wheather to have the titles sharp, and the picture a little off, or visa-versa.An old-timer told me always focus on the picture, but I find that since people are always reading the titles, they notice them more, (and don't notice the picture as much) and complain.
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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-19-2001 09:59 AM
I've been holding back to see if there were any explanations offered. Yes, it is probable that the customers were looking for an excuse, but I remember a few films in the 1970s that drifted in and out of focus and gave me fits.I've got no firm explanation, just some ideas, but the drift seemed to follow the reel from showing to showing, whether on the A or B projector. The thoughts I had: 1. Damage from proud edges causing the film to lift slightly in the gate. With platters not yet common, these could be caused by someone running a projector where the takeup clutch was screwed down too tight. The damage wouldn't have to be excessive for this to happen, and would be greater when the torque on the take-up reel was greater. Warping along the edge from damaged shipping reels might cause something similar. 2. Dirt or excessive wax building up on the gate shoes and then getting knocked off by a splice. 3. Drift from different thickness or type of stocks, or even different pitch sprocket holes on the intermittent, coupled with a tight gate? I mention these only because I couldn't rule them out. The projectors were the Norelcos with the thin metal band shoes in the gate. I've never been confident that those thin slightly convex bands wouldn't deform under certain conditions and cause a drift of film position, especially when the bands were worn and almost paper thin at points. I'm sure there are other possibilities. For instance, I never was able to figure out how a change of alignment in the lamphouse always seemed to affect the focus slightly. Could the arc have been wandering? Part of my point is to always take a customer complaint seriously. That said, there is yet another possibility... Alcops and blind check services often have a requirement that the operative(s) submit a complaint to the management, in order to judge reaction. Sometimes these complaints are obvious because they are so lame.
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Randy Stankey
Film God
Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-19-2001 04:28 PM
OK, here's my shot at this one:What about secondary reflections from behind the screen? The light goes through the holes in the screen, reflects off the rear wall or even a speaker (or some other piece of equipment). The reflection can produce a sort of hazy, double image that comes and goes when you move your head. It's more pronnounced during scenes with bright objects against a dark background, like credits. We had that at my old theatre. It turned out to be reflections off the masking motors. We went around and spray painted them all black. Still, that didn't take care of SOME of them. We had to put up some ceiling tiles painted black, placed at an angle to act as guards. At the college I used to work at we used to hang black border curtains behind the screen to prevent reflections off the light colored back wall. I dunno'. Just a guess.
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John Wilson
Film God
Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-20-2001 03:58 AM
It was 'Luck Numbers' you say? Then that explains it all! Your cinema was had as they say.I'm surprised the whole audience didn't say it was out of focus just to get out the door with some dignity! (Oh...or did those two patrons make up the entire audience?) John Travolta - Battlefield Earth...Lucky Numbers...next stop...the unemployment queue. ------------------ "It's not the years, honey...it's the mileage". Indiana Jones
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