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Topic: How does the film get damaged
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Jamie Hanslip
Film Handler
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From: Southampton, England
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-25-2001 08:15 PM
hello,Im trying to find out for a report that i am writing, why film gets damage due to marking the end of reels. From reading this forum it is seen that every one has a high level of presentation skills. It seems that no one would damage a film by leaving tipex all over it, and mark the joins in way that causes poor presentation. Unfortunately lots of films arrive at are cinema in poor condition covered in, tipex, chinagraph and sticky labels covering all four sound tracks. What i want to know is how do these prints get like this. Is due to inexperienced projectionists, projectionists that were not properly trained, or projectionist that just don't care, etc.? Please can i have your views, and any possible links to literature regarding this subject. Many Thanks Jamie
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John Walsh
Film God
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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 04-25-2001 10:10 PM
This is like asking; why are there wars? There's no single answer. But, I think, the way a theater runs almost always is a reflection on the owner (whether a single person or corperate group.)But, more specific to your question, people have done all kinds of things to mark the reel ends. I’ve seen masking tape, transparent tape, duct tape. I’ve seen all of those used to either just get the head/tails to stay together; I’ve also seen them used to actually splice the film in a splicer. (I had staples, too!) China markers, felt-tipped pens, small round stickers, a heavy scratch across the frame, yellow colored tape, a hole punched, edge-painting (w/ shoe polish or other pen-like applicators) have all been used to mark the splice. I think the reason you see this kind of poor practice is mostly because a lazy operator wants to make it super-easy not to miss the splice when breaking down the print.
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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-25-2001 11:34 PM
A lot of it is hold over from the old days, when many booths were dimly lit holes, and the only soundtrack to worry about was the optical one.As for shoe polish, believe it or not, when Terri Smith was first giving the Kodak presentations to theatres, it was an accepted practice. There was one type of polish or dye that didn't flake off as badly as others, and a short strip of that on the edge was thought preferrable to the hash marks and other methods that were also used at the time. I used a tiny self adhesive tab folded-over the sprocket area, and sometimes a sound bloop until I realized that with tape splices and on platters it wasn't needed. The edges of the film have enough difference from reel to reel that they can be told apart on platters where one side of the film is exposed (unintentional pun). With 5K and 6K floating hub reels it was almost impossible to see the film clearly enough to hit the mark every time, and often the ends of the films had multiple splices from theatres that either couldn't do a changeover right or let the end of the reel flap or get caught. The little adhesive tab gave just enough bump that I could find the splice. Good wet splices could be hard to find compared to tape splices. As for the stuff going on with platter jockeys ripping film apart, there is no excuse.
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John Pytlak
Film God
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-26-2001 06:32 AM
"Film Done Right" is usually a matter of good common sense. Unfortunately, a few misguided or lazy film handlers don't seem to have any common sense! Check out all 56 back issues of Kodak's "Film Notes for Reel People" and the more recent "Cinema Notes" in the "Manuals" section of Film-Tech. Each issue usually had at least one article regarding proper film handling. Another excellent resource is Kodak publication H-23 "The Book of Film Care". A wealth of other information is available free on the Kodak website: Kodak Motion Picture Films Free Kodak Newsletters Film Storage Student Handbook Projection Film Damage Kodak ScreenCheck Training Program ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Jamie Hanslip
Film Handler
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From: Southampton, England
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-26-2001 09:07 AM
Thanks for all the replies,Sorry I didn't make myself clear in the first post. I have worked as a projectionist for 4 years now, so I know how the film gets damaged. What I want to know is who damages them. I was trained to respect the film and every projectionist I know treats the film with respect to, in theory no prints should arrive with tipex over the picture and sound tracks, but it happens all the time. Is this due to lack of training on some companies behalf, or inexperienced floor staff left to show the film, or bad training practise which is feed from chief to trainee who then goes onto train himself. What are your experances. Thanks Jamie.
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