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Topic: Kodak 2393 Vision Premier print stock
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Michael Barry
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From: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-22-2001 09:07 AM
I just finished making up our print of 'Moulin Rouge' and noticed that it's printed on 2393 - I think this is the first feature that I've handled which has been printed on this stock. (Last week, we received trailers for the Sydney Film Festival, also printed on 2393.) I look forward to seeing the results!Although I heard that there were several show prints made for this title, the print we received was part of the regular print run. Has 2393 been used for entire print runs before? If so, how long has this been common practice? What are some recent examples?
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 05-22-2001 09:24 AM
Both Kodak VISION Color Print Film 2383 and Kodak VISION Premier Color Print Film 2393 are catalog listed items, and readily available. The 2393 is more expensive to manufacture (more silver and coupler), so it is priced about 9 percent more. Distributors have a choice of films, depending upon the "look" desired. Sometimes, to save a bit of money, they may opt to have a mix of prints, making more expensive 2393 prints only for key markets/theatres. 2383 Technical Data 2393 Technical Data Use of VISION Print Film Here are some articles about productions that preferred the "look" of 2393: Jubaku on 2393 Czech Movie on 2393 In Camera Article ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Wilson
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posted 05-24-2001 07:23 AM
So they made 2393 prints of Moulin Rouge. Fantastic idea. (really)But...the colours don't match reel to reel. There are drastic changes in color saturation in these prints. The lab has managed to send out prints with running scratches on the base of a few reels. They have also managed to put a rub down the centre of the print on some reels which make little black scuff marks through those reels. We had the chance of getting one of the 1st generation 'show' prints, but they have gone to the multiplexes (at least two of which will be GUARANTEED to scratch the thing from top to tail before the weekend is over). Meanwhile, we have a rushed out and pre-scratched print. We do have Film Guard though, which is more than anyone else in this town can say to my knowledge. It's good and it can work some miracles, but it won't get rid of these lab marks. It's all a bit sad and more than a little bit funny. ![](http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/frown.gif) ------------------ Children really brighten up your life...they never turn off lights.
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Bill Langfield
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Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-24-2001 09:27 AM
John Pytlak,John what was 'OUT OF AFRICA filmed' with? I believe it was AGFA XT. The reason I ask is because the result was stunning. It has stuck in my mind until today. No other film image has come close, UNTIL, Tralier A of Peal Harbor. BILL.
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Bill Langfield
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Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-24-2001 09:41 AM
John Wilson.Hi, John, I've got a heap of stuff to chat to you about. It will be fun. However, your print of Moulin Rouge would have come from AT-LAB. (then with replacement 1,8&9) I cant believe it would have the damage you describe - erm perhaps it can. And my other point was as if Multiplexes would damage prints - erm perhaps your right. My NEXT point is, erm, well HOYTS are trying. Have I tried ths b4? BILL. See next msg.
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Bill Langfield
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posted 05-24-2001 09:50 AM
Michael,Is Roulin Rouge going to be a pain in the ass SRD ?? - What are the error rates? There were no DTS disks shipped, so Im running in SR or A It's not in EX is it? I've only been bothered to watch to first 5 minutes, love the intro, reminds me a bit of Superman - But much better done. Bill. JOHN WILSON IS ONLY TO READ ON FROM HERE Sorry John this is a mess of a msg. John, The Letter from 20th Fox. We'll it's a sad thing that Baz felt he had to say not to cut nine seconds from the leader of spool one. Does he assume ppl are going to unroll the reel until they see an image and not work 3 feet from the end of the leader? (Smart ones chop 1 foot from 3) (OK, as long as the sound track is clean) As for fader settings, he should have simply stated, RUN IT LOUDER THAN NORMAL. Why not did he not just do a Mummy Returns. HOWEVER that said, the chop toppers, don't know sound levels, focus, framing, masking, ratios.. I could go forever. However, HOYTS policy is that only experienced projectionist are made Cheif and the cheif train those who want to become projectionistist to the highest standard. Projectionistist, Project After the RED CARPET release of the film, At Fox Studios did you get sent replacement reels 1,8&9 ? All our locations did. We can only assume he was not not happy with the responce to to the beginning and ending and had an alternate version ready to go. I'll have to get out to Ritz and see you. Thats right near Fox Studio's isn't it? Ive heard about how the Ritz likes to do everything right, however you know the same mostly goes the same at the Orpheum. Did Michael tell you Ian got a go at another location and proceeded to destroy a print of 'The Mummy Returns' and put on 3 wrong movies, IN ONE SHIFT -what can you say?? You can laugh, at first, but it's not funny. Bill.
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John Pytlak
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Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-25-2001 10:48 AM
Bill Langfield asked: "John what was 'OUT OF AFRICA filmed' with? I believe it was AGFA XT."David Watkin filmed "Out of Africa" using BOTH Kodak's EASTMAN Color Negative Film 5247 (mostly for interiors) and Agfa XT320 (mostly for exteriors). Harry Robinson asked: "John, could you give us an overview of the different Eastman Kodak film stocks over the years, along with their charateristics?" Kodak's website has a Chronology of Kodak Motion Picture Films: Chronology of Kodak Films Technical information about all the current Kodak motion picture film products can be found at: Kodak Camera Films Kodak Films for Post Production and Prints Scott Norwood asked: "What is the current status of Agfa's motion picture business? They used to make both camera and print stock (35mm only, I think) and then stopped and re-started. Does anyone know what's going on?" AFAIK, Agfa currently sells only color print film and sound negative film for motion-pictures in the USA. In the USA, the color print film is sometimes used for trailers and on-screen advertising. Unlike Kodak, they have chosen not to offer the comprehensive line of products needed by the motion picture industry (e.g., camera films, intermediate films, etc.) ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Pytlak
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posted 05-25-2001 01:41 PM
Josh:Information about Super-8 films and processing is on Kodak's website: Kodak Student Filmmaker Newsletter Kodak Super 8 Film Information Super 8 Labs and Dealers Reading this material, it looks like Super 8 Sound offers ECN-2 processing. AFAIK, most of the Super-8 negative ends up being transferred to video (e.g., it's popular for music videos). The 8mm Film Format Metadirectory is a good source of links to information: http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavender/569/ ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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