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Mark Lensenmayer
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From: Upper Arlington, OH
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posted 05-25-2001 12:14 PM

How widespread are the dye transfer prints of PEARL HARBOR?

BTW, on the imdb, someone has listed (wrongly)in PEARL HARBOR trivia that the film was "Filmed in "3-strip Technicolor," the same color process used for Wizard of Oz, The (1939) and _Gone with the Wind (1939)".

It is curious that someone has listed both trivia and goofs before the film has even opened.

Mark L.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 05-25-2001 12:35 PM

I think the UA Colorado Center 9 has a print, as they are advertising an "enhanced 35mm print".

They are the only ones in Colorado advertising this so they are probably the only ones who have a print. They don't use Filmguard as far as I know.

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Paul Konen
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posted 05-25-2001 02:43 PM

I have 4 of these prints. They were referred to us as "Premium Prints" and to, of course, treat them very carefully.

Paul.

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Christopher Seo
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posted 05-25-2001 02:48 PM

So, what are the optical and digital soundtracks on these prints? Silver or dye? I had heard that the optical tracks would be incompatible with tungsten readers in some strange sort of departure from Technicolor's all-silver tracks for dye transfer.

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John Pytlak
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posted 05-25-2001 02:56 PM

If the dye transfer prints do not have silver image tracks, that would be news!!! Normal procedure is to print the tracks on the B&W receiver stock, process it to get the silver image tracks, then transfer the image dyes for the picture. Dye only tracks would imply that the tracks were printed via dye transfer.

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Brad Miller
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posted 05-25-2001 07:25 PM

Clarification to everyone:

The prints listed as "Premier" are NOT IB dye transfer prints. I haven't had the chance to look at a regular print, but I think the only difference is another generation in the negative and the use of Kodak 2383 stock, as opposed to Kodak Vision Premiere 2393 stock. Perhaps John Pytlak can clarify that aspect a bit more.

There were only a few handful of IB dye transfer prints made.

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John Pytlak
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posted 05-25-2001 08:20 PM

I have NOT heard specifics for "Pearl Harbor", but it is not unusual for some distributors to have a mix of prints on both Kodak VISION Color Print Film 2383 and Kodak VISION Premier Color Print Film 2393. The sure way to tell is by the magenta-colored edgeprint identification. For either film, the analog soundtrack would be either dark blue (cyan + magenta) or "high magenta" (magenta dye) with the dark gray silver soundtrack application over it.

AFAIK, any dye transfer print would have only dark gray silver for all four (quad) tracks, with no dye (no coloration in the track area).

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Mark Lensenmayer
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posted 05-25-2001 08:48 PM

Is anyone else seeing the words "enhanced" or "specially enhanced" in advertising? The local Imax has dropped large format for awhile and is showing Pearl Harbor. This special note is in the display ad, not the theatre listing: "SPECIALLY ENHANCED 35MM PRESENTATION ON A GIANT IMAX SCREEN". I'll try and find out exactly what they mean by that.

Mark Lensenmayer

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 05-25-2001 10:13 PM

I watched a standard print this afternoon in Idaho and it looked dam good. VERY reminiscent of dye transfer but it was not an I.B. print. Great contrast and excellent blacks that were not off color. Now if only the image could be printed steady they'd have something.......
Mark @ GTS

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Sean M. Grimes
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posted 05-26-2001 01:46 AM

Ok OK one of the three prints that I watched (grrr...) was great. The other two had very much bloopy(?) like splotches in a few parts. Being that my home office is closed until tuesday, and the prints are still very much playable (as a matter of fact I would doubt that any one not trained to notice them would ever do so) I will have to wait until tuesday. Dont get me wrong - these prints had great color and not a single problem what so ever except for a few damn bloopy splotches. I just hope that the home office will actually allow me to get two new reels - they did not fall in the same reel in comparision to either of the prints in question. But a slight irk? You bet. I actually saw better care into Freddy Got Fingered than the "Summer Blockbuster".

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Joe Redifer
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posted 05-26-2001 01:48 AM

Marky Mark,

I have seen the exact same advertising. In fact, this is also on an "IMAX" screen as well. Not a HUGE screen per se, but they have played actual IMAX on this screen. I hope that's not all they mean by "Specially Enhanced 35mm". If they don't have a dye transfer print, then this advertising is just bullshit. Projecting 35mm on an IMAX sized screen does not enhance it. Let us know what you find out.

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John Pytlak
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posted 05-26-2001 07:18 AM

Sean said: "The other two had very much bloopy(?) like splotches in a few parts."

If the splotches tend to be along the left side of the image, they are likely accidental spill-over from the viscous soundtrack developer that forms the silver in the analog soundtrack. You should request replacement reels.

One of the advantages of converting to cyan dye analog soundtracks (requiring red LED readers) is the elimination of the need to develop the silver in the analog soundtrack area.

Prints with cyan dye tracks have already been exhibited successfully. The recent Miramax release "Get Over It" paves way for wider-scale use of cyan dye tracks:
http://www.dolby.com/press/wb.pr.0105.Cyan.html

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Mark Lensenmayer
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posted 05-26-2001 10:22 AM

Joey, Joey, Joe,

NYT also has a special ad for PEARL HARBOR on the Sony/Loew's IMAX screen. It also says SPECIALLY ENHANCED. I'll post when I get a clarification on this.

Mark L.

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Steve Guttag
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posted 05-26-2001 03:25 PM

I can say that the print here at the Uptown in DC is definately NOT a IB or dye transfer print. It is pretty though. Oh, and John, it has conventional analog redevelopment...no high-magenta here.

Has anyone A/Bed high-magenta to conventional? I have found high-mageneta to sound lousy on just about any reader...very harsh high-ends.

STeve

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Brad Miller
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posted 05-26-2001 04:39 PM

John P or someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Technicolor's new IB dye transfer process basically cost the same as printing conventional prints? As I understand, the only problem is getting the finished negative early enough for the single printer to be able to crank out the copies.

All that work by the Technicolor lab guys to make this a reality again and no one is using it!!!

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