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Topic: factory splices causing Dolby to cut out..
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Carl King
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 199
From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 05-26-2001 10:30 PM
Hi Gang; I've noticed lately that some of the so-called "factory splices" are causing my Doby Digital sound to revert to Stereo for about 3 seconds and then reverting back to Digital. This is new and has happened in more than one house and different prints. Mummy Returns and Pearl Harbor is doing this now. I can cut out the splices and make my own (the factory ones and made mid-image instead of on a frame line) and solve this but I was wondering what causes this to happen.
I assume Mr. Pitlayk can answer this question. thanks Carl
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Randy Stankey
Film God
Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-26-2001 11:17 PM
My guess would be along the same lines as Brad's. But if the thing runs OK when you cut out the lab splice then I'd imagine that a printing problem isn't the cause. (Or at least the major contributing factor.)My question is: "What error reading is the player running at during the rest of the film?" If it's running at "6", for example, and a crummy splice goes through that may be enough to cause the system to kick out. If it's running at "3" or so, I don't see why a splice would cause a malfunction. Whenever I have a problem with a Dolby Digital system the first thing I check is the LED levels. (Assuming you are using a Cat. 701, etc.) As good as LEDs are they still have a habit of tapering off on you. After a few months they usually start to get dim and need a tweek. If you can't raise the voltage high enough you'll have to replace them. It's not hard to do but you will need to use a scope. If it's not the LEDs (or the lamp) then check the other parameters: Focus, lateral, azimuth, etc. Even in a penthouse reader you need to check on these at least once in a while. You can use DRAS but if you really want to know what's going on you should use a scope. DRAS is known to have some inaccuracies. My boss had a meeting with Lonny J. from Dolby and he showed my boss a real live demo of how DRAS can say that your reader is running OK but the scope shows it's out of adjustment. To make a long story short, if you have your reader aligned with a scope and then you make a "reading" using DRAS and remember it, you can use DRAS to verify that the reader is still running OK. But if you try to use DRAS to make the primary adjustments to the reader you may end up with a reader that's slightly out of adjustment.
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John Pytlak
Film God
Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-27-2001 06:04 AM
Since "Mummy Returns" and "Pearl Harbor" were printed at different labs, it's unlikely both made a change to the ultrasonic splicing technique used on the unprocessed film. I agree with Brad that your reader may need recalibration.With splices, not only do you lose the data covered up or cut out by the splice, but the splice may cause a brief jump and lateral displacement of the print in the reader. The error correction of the digital system should normally be able to compensate without defaulting to analog. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Carl King
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 199
From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 05-27-2001 08:02 AM
Hi everyone:Thanks for all the advice. The general consensus seems to be that I need my readers calibrated. That's on the "to do" list when my tech guy comes in this month. In the meantime I will take out all the factory splices and advise my relief operators to do the same. I did send a note to Deluxe asking them if it its policy to make splices mid frame at their labs. No response yet. Antonio. Nice to hear from you. All the way from Italy. Isn't the web great? Thanks again everyone.
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