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Topic: DTS & SRD reliability
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Patrick de Groot
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 161
From: Sprang-Capelle, Netherlands
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-19-2001 11:38 AM
We're thinking about using one of these system in our theater. I've got some questions about there reliability:-From how much damage to the digital soundtrack can SRD decover? (how many meters) -Same for the timecode strip of DTS -When there is a reading error: will these systems try to read again after an amount of time from the timecode/digital soundtrack or will they just stay stucked at the analog soundtrack? Say if you have to cut out one or two meters of film due to some "accident", will there be problems when reading digital sound with DTS and SRD?
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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.
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From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-19-2001 01:19 PM
SRD will default to analog after just a few sprockets of damaged data (heavy scratches or opaque splicing tape on the SRD data in the perf area).DTS has a timecode buffer of about 4-5 seconds before it has to revert to analog due to damaged timecode. Both systems will continue to try to read digital info after they default to analog and will switch back to digital playback automatically (if the automation controls are set up correctly) as soon as they see adequate digital info. Regarding several meters of films being spliced out, both SRD and DTS will jump forward in time as required to accommodate the missing film. The worst would be defaulting to analog for a moment if the splice is not done well.
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Antonio Marcheselli
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From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-19-2001 02:28 PM
Patrick,Let's say that your equipment is well tuned up and your print is ok (regarding digital data and/or timecode). In this case both systems are IMHO very reliable. In case of problem (a damaged print) DTS manages very well a lot of splices and scratches. Let's suppose that you have a lot of splices due to an accident: DTS drops to analog after 4/5 seconds of bad timecode, but also one second of good timecode can "reset" the counter. So have a DTS player dropping to analog would rather indicate a problem on the timecode's print or to equipment. I cannot imagine a so damaged print that DTS cannot read properly. I have a piece of "TITANIC" in my booth. At splices image is HORRIBLE, full of scratches. DTS has absolutely no problem reding timecode. Dolby Digital probably will drop in analog at splices but tries continuously to revert in digital. After many drop-out it will stay in analog until it will have a couple of seconds of good datas. However in normal situation both DD and DTS are very reliable. If your projector is ok and it does not scratch the print DD will never drop. DTS will "resist" also with many injuries to the movie! I would check another side of the questions: what system sounds better? In this case, my choice will be surely DTS. Bye Antonio
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-19-2001 10:26 PM
I had a theatre manager that just didn't like DTS for some reason. (Jazz Singer phobia, I guess.)I had several arguements about this subject when she wanted me to run a print in SDDS instead of DTS. (The projector had both.) I would usually just acquiesce but switch it to DTS later on when the coast was clear. I was able to change her mind one day when a print got totally TRASHED because some butt head misthreaded the projector and "spiked" (roped) the hell out of it. The analog soundtrack was useless. I told her that it would play in DTS. My arguement was that a full 80% of the timecode can be obliterated but the sound will still play. As mentioned above, there's a five second buffer before the machine defaults back to analog but it only takes one second of good code to reset the "timer". As long as the thing can get one second's worth of code out of every five it will be OK. (Hence, the 80% statistic.) I convinced her to move the print from the analog only house that it was in to one that had DTS. I told her that if we moved it and it didn't work, we didn't have anything to lose but if it did work we were still in business. (A no-lose proposition.) She helped me move it, all the while saying, "This won't work... You are making me move this heavy print for nothing... If it doesn't work, I'll be pissed off at you!" Of course it DID work and I had another DTS convert!
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Rick Long
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 06-19-2001 11:43 PM
Interesting.At a theatre I was working at recently, both SDDS heads had "Do not use" signs on them. Took the scope and brought the leds up to level. Test looped the heads with a discarded trailer. - worked fine. Placed these into service for the first show that day. A night or two before the film was dragged along a bar (roller support) and was emulsion scratched terribly. Having no spare print, they decided to use the print anyway scratched or not. At the last moment, that print was changed to the booth in which I had an SDDS head installed. By the end of the first encoded trailer, I shut the thing off as it was defaulting too many times. I reasoned that SDDS couldnt read a track with that many scratches, (no spare Cat.701's available for SRD), but DTS, using a much simpler code (time-code only, no sound) might have a chance. Hooked it up this morning - works fine.
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-20-2001 01:42 PM
Antonio said in a previous post...."I would check another side of the questions: what system sounds better? In this case, my choice will be surely DTS". Its very difficult to tell which system you are listening to unless you have a playback system of extremely high caliber. I have heard the three different systems on in a large mix facility in L.A. and they were hard to tell apart there......... Mark @ GTS
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