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Topic: Wizard of Oz dye transfer....
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 06-22-2001 03:00 AM
Take a closer look at that first reel of Wizard of Oz.
It's not black and white like a lot of people think. It's a sepia toned print made off a b/w neg. It probably wasn't ever made in IB-Tech in the first place. (I'm guessing the originals were b/w prints that had been chemically altered to look like sepia.)
Here's the sneaky part. That last shot just before the c/o is when Dorothy is walking out the door of her tornado-wrecked house. It's a reverse angle shot of her walking towards a closed door.....
...<CHANGEOVER>........Then she walks up to the door, opens it and steps out into the land of Oz, in glorious Technicolor. If you look closely you can see the change in the picture/color quality. Most people won't notice it. Back in the day, I bet most people went to see the movie, thinking it was in Technicolor, saw the beginning reel and thought, "BAH!!! This isn't in color!" When that changeover hit I bet there was a huge, "GASP!!!", arising from the audience as they realized it WAS in color! I would have loved to see that!  GWTW rerelease was IB-Tech, although the results weren't quite as spectacular as we would have liked. The original matrices had shrunk... all at different rates, producing an effect where people sometimes looked like they had 3 mouths and 9 eyes. A lot of the Bug's Life prints were IB, if I'm not mistaken, as well. Now, that one looked good, except for the end part when they put on the new blooper reel. They didn't make those ones IB. The difference in picture quality was noticable.
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Tao Yue
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From: Princeton, NJ
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-22-2001 08:32 AM
A question -- can you specifically request Technicolor dye-transfer prints for The Wizard of Oz? Darryl made it sound like he got one by accident, which leads me to think that the depots aren't keeping track of the dye-transfer prints from the Eastmancolor prints.I've read that only about 50 dye-transfer prints were made, with the rest being Eastmancolor. Also, the Eastmancolor prints were reduced in size to compensate for the lack of 1.37:1 Academy full-frame aperture plates among multiplexes. (BTW, anybody know how they were reduced? A windowboxed picture in scope, like _Gone with the Wind_, or, even worse, a reduced picture fitted inside the widescreen area of a flat frame?) I'd like to run Oz for our classic film series this coming fall term (or next spring term), and there's no way I want to get stuck with an Eastmancolor prints if dye-transfers are available. Besides that, advertising the Technicolor might draw some interest to the classic series -- after all, Technicolor was founded by an MIT graduate. --
Tao Yue
MIT '04: Course VI-2, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Projectionist, MIT Lecture Series Committee
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John Pytlak
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posted 06-22-2001 12:21 PM
AFAIK, some of the "Toy Story 2" prints were dye transfer.If you can't get a definite booking of a dye transfer print of "Wizard of Oz" from your normal Warner Bros. channels, try contacting the office of Richard P. May, Vice President of Film Preservation: richard_may@warnerbros.com Showing a dye transfer print at MIT, the alma mater of Herbert T. Kalmus (founder of Technicolor), may be of interest to them. Do remember that a dye transfer print of "The Wizard of Oz" should be shown with the "Academy" 1.37:1 aspect ratio (projectable image area 0.825 x 0.602 inches).
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Tao Yue
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From: Princeton, NJ
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-22-2001 02:07 PM
Thanks, everyone, for your replies. They were extremely informative.FYI, LSC is an entirely student-run organization, and usually goes through Swank (http://www.swank.com/), which handles the educational licensing for most new releases. That way, we get a discount and run movies vs. 50% of ticket sales. I'll certainly make sure it's run with the proper 1.37:1 aspect ratio. It would be a great injustice to the film if it weren't. Martin Hart has just added a new section to his Widescreen Museum that includes scans of film frames. It's pretty distressing to see the 70mm rerelease of _Gone With the Wind_ compared with the full frame, and to find out just how much was chopped off. --
Tao Yue
MIT '04: Course VI-2, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Projectionist, MIT Lecture Series Committee
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