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John Pytlak
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posted 06-26-2001 03:02 PM
An article in today's (June 26) Hollywood Reporter: Hollywood Reporter, June 26, 2001 Digital Cinema in Kodak picture June 26, 2001 Kodak is positioning itself for the digital exhibition market with a new projection and theater management system it hopes to have installed on six public screens by early next year. "We want to be in the networked cinema business," said Robert Mayson, general manager of cinema operations for the Entertainment Imaging division of Eastman Kodak. "We see a role to play, and we want to step up now." Kodak's new Digital Cinema system combines a proprietary projector and operating system that includes server, storage and networking capabilities. The software application runs on a Sun Microsystems platform. Essentially a scheduling and asset-management system for theater owners, the operating system provides a user-friendly drag-and-drop interface that allows the loading, programming and playback of features, trailers and other preshow content across multiple digital screens. "This is the first complete digital theater system developed specifically with exhibitors in mind," Kodak Digital Cinema program manager Glenn Kennel said. (Competing team Qualcomm and Technicolor are developing their own "theater management systems" but have been using the pre-existing QuVis QuBit video server for their demos.) ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Pytlak
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posted 07-18-2001 09:30 AM
Kodak's website now has a section with information about Kodak's Digital Cinema developments: http://www.kodak.com/go/dcinema Perception versus Reality What is digital cinema? Why digital cinema? What does it mean to the movie-going consumer? The debate over digital cinema has not only those in the entertainment industry buzzing, but it has begun to seep its way into the mainstream. The result? The entertainment industry and moviegoers alike are discussing a term, which has different meanings to different people. Here's a crash course in digital cinema that will align the perception with reality: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/reality.shtml Kodak Imaging Technology Center The Kodak Imaging Technology Center (ITC) located in Kodak's facilities in Los Angeles is Kodak's 'laboratory in the marketplace,' connected to the company's extensive capabilities of imaging research worldwide. In the ITC, Kodak is working with customers and best-in-class suppliers to develop digital cinema solutions intended to surpass the quality of film projection and meet the needs of creatives, distributors, exhibitors, and consumers. The digital cinema system Kodak is developing will improve the moviegoing experience for consumers, project movies the way the filmmakers intended with consistent quality on-screen, and provide more cost-effective systems for studios and exhibitors alike: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/itc.shtml A Talk About the Kodak Digital Cinema System The Kodak Entertainment Imaging division is testing and demonstrating an early prototype of a Kodak Digital Cinema system. The system includes a cinema operating system, proprietary color management technology, and a prototype 2K digital cinema projector. The company is also developing anti-piracy safeguards. In addition, they are testing best-in-class technology components provided by other companies including the new JVC 2048 x 1536 (2K) pixel D-ILA microchips and a SUN Microsystem platform for networked storage. The prototype system in being tested and demonstrated at the Kodak Imaging Technology Center (ITC) in Los Angeles. The ITC is an extension of Kodak Research Labs. Following are excerpts of an interview with Digital Cinema Program Manager Glenn Kennel: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/kennel.shtml ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Pytlak
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posted 07-18-2001 01:14 PM
The simple answer is that Kodak has technology that will help Digital Cinema look as good as film:Kodak Digital Cinema Program Manager Glenn Kennel said: "We need to provide a superior moviegoing experience because we believe that's what the cinema will need to offer audiences in order to succeed in the future,...We believe audiences and filmmakers deserve at least 2K resolution although we should strive for more, and most decidedly we should not settle for digital technology that is 'good enough' to satisfy today's expectations." "We need to demonstrate that we can really offer better image quality while retaining a cinematic look with all of its subtleties and nuances, in addition to providing a system that offers other opportunities and efficiencies,...Those are ambitious goals but this industry should not and must not settle for anything less." ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Pytlak
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posted 07-18-2001 03:48 PM
Eventually, it may be better than 35mm "Film Done Right".For now, the near-term goals are: "...better image quality while retaining a cinematic look with all of its subtleties and nuances, in addition to providing a system that offers other opportunities and efficiencies..."
------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Larry Myers
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posted 07-18-2001 03:55 PM
I am not sure, but I think just about all motion picture film is trashed in landfills rather then recycled. With 3000 copies of each 12000 ft feature and maybe 100 to 200 features produced each year, this is alot of film going to the landfill. About 36 to 72 million feet of it. With outtakes and redos the trash rate may even be twice to three times that. Film is also very messy in production with big processing machines and all those millions of gallons of toxic chemistry. So, I think it's more of a green earth issue rather then "good as film" quality issue. Larry
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Patrick de Groot
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posted 07-18-2001 04:14 PM
Digital will be the future, it's as simple as that. It has many advantages above normal film, even if it has the same image quality. It's much easier to make digital copies of a masterfilm, easier to distribute, less dificulties playing the movie, easier to convert to DVD... At this time it's to early for the digital cinema, but within perhaps 10-15 years this will change. Maybe this looks strange, but for example no one would have expected 15 years ago that computers were going to be used as standard equipment as today.Digital itself means NOTHING, but if good practiced, it will simple surpass normal film. And the price? of course it's way to expensive today, but that is the case with all computer related stuff (compare the prices of LCD's, processors, beamers 5 years ago with te prices nowadays...) I have heard someone saying that CD's didn't impress him at the introduction. I say: go listining to tapes and LP's with their degrading quality and noise ratio crips cracks etc... Digital projection will be sooner standard than many expect!
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John Pytlak
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posted 07-18-2001 04:25 PM
Larry Myers said: " I think it's more of a green earth issue rather then "good as film" quality issue."Environmental responsibility is important for BOTH the film and electronics industry. Landfills are also filled with obsolete ELECTRONIC equipment and recording media that contain "nasties" like chromium, cadmium, mercury, lead, etc., and required toxic chemicals in their manufacture. Satellite distribution? -- launching satellites has a significant environmental impact, and all satellites eventually become "space junk". FYI, Once the theater run is finished, most of the movie prints are destroyed to prevent piracy and the film is recycled. Last year, FPC, a Kodak subsidiary, recycled more than 3 billion feet of movie film. http://www.fpcfilm.com/US/en/motion/FPC/fsc/fsc_main.html With Kodak's help, film labs have become very efficient in their reuse and recycling of processing chemicals, and recover almost all of the silver in the film. http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/environment/index.shtml ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Greg Mueller
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posted 07-18-2001 04:41 PM
Don't they recycle film? You'd think they could melt it down and turn it into something else, if not more film."It's much easier to make digital copies of a masterfilm, easier to distribute, less dificulties playing the movie, easier to convert to DVD..." But it seems like these benefits are only benefits for the distributor. I understand that it would benefit them. I just don't get how it will help the people that have to pay for it. Namely the theater owners. As far as it being easier to play, I suppose that could be the case if you just had to push a button or something, but I wouldn't think that it would be worth all that money to for a easier "automation system". In a post elsewhere it was stated that the new digital systems would still need projectionists. If that's the case then it would seem that it might not be any easier than what now exists. I just keep thinking of myself standing there with $100K in one hand and this new 'lectro projector sitting on the showroom floor and I can't think of any good reasons why I would want to trade one for the other. Maybe if I could no longer sell tickets to the film theater? Maybe if the 'lectro projector was so much more noticably better than the film projector that I was affraid for my livelyhood? But I don't believe I'd let go of the dough just so the film distrbutor could make more money. It just keeps coming back to "how is spending all this money going to make ME money?" ------------------ Greg Mueller Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut http://www.muellersatomics.com/
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Larry Myers
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posted 07-18-2001 04:43 PM
I can see my estimates for distroyed film is way under the actual footage of 3000 million vs my 500 million feet. Not sure what the stack gas content of all this burning of millions of feet of film might be. Something tells me that it's not all pure air. I do know it takes about 1 oz of chemistry per 1 ft of film for processing. Maybe I am off again some but still, it's alot of chemistry to get rid of. If you really think about it, it's like Kodak producing film as fast as they can and then pumping it all through a big furnace. The film just so happens to make short stops at the studios and theaters. Larry
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Darryl Spicer
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posted 07-18-2001 06:07 PM
No matter how you look at it, it is going to be an expensive conversion. A conversion that will not be imidiate. Yes it could be 10 or 15 years down the road before you see the better than film quality needed.As far as enviromental concerns as long as you have manufacturing you have waiste...so you can stop making film but you still have to make all the equipment that will be needed to replace film. So you are still filling the environment with waiste...all those projectores and platters have to go somewhere....in a dump or melted down. My feelings are that digital cinema needs to be implemented slowly to allow for improvements yet still be able to get the word out to the public...all major cities should have at least two or three screens didicated to the process. let the public decide if this is what they want...and get the bugs ironed out...Once standereds are set and the best can be achieved then start implementing full scale...this could take 10 to 15 years... film distributors will gain but exhibitors will lose because the quality of films the film companies are putting out will not generate enough money to pay back the costs...it's one of those things that may look good at times on paper but in reality could be devistating to our industry as exhibitors.
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