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Joe Ritter
Film Handler

Posts: 27
From: Cape May Court House, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 07-11-2001 06:09 PM

Hi All,
I just aquired a kelmar film cleaner. I am wondering about the proper way to use it with Filmrenu. Does one soak the rolls of cloth in the Filmrenu or just put a little on the roll, I would apprecieate a detailed instruction on how to properly use the kelmar unit with Filmrenu as I have some old and dirty film to clean, and hopefully salvage. All help is much aprecieated.-------Thanks-----Joe Ritter-----

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Mitchell Cope
Master Film Handler

Posts: 256
From: Overland Park, KS, United States
Registered: Jun 99

posted 07-11-2001 06:25 PM

Why wouldn't you want to use FilmGuard?

If you insist on wanting to use Filmrenew with the Kelmar Film Cleaner , I would contact Larry Urbanski directly for advice. He can be reached at larryu@urbanskifilm.com

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Per Hauberg
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 883
From: Malling, Denmark
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 07-11-2001 06:51 PM

Hello, Mr Pussycat,

What nice big teeth You've got
How do You use them..?

-said the little mouse

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 07-11-2001 07:51 PM

Joe, you've got the wrong tool for the job (if you are going to use FilmRenew solution, that is). FilmRenew was not designed to be used in conjunction with a media cleaning machine. It is an evaporating type of solution that is intended for cleaning manually between hand rewinds (although I hear some people actually like to drop their prints into a bucket of it). FilmGuard is the solution that is designed to be used with the Kelmar cleaner. The names may be similar, but the two products are very much different.

Sell the Kelmar unit to someone who needs it. There are plenty out there looking for a used one.

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 07-11-2001 08:35 PM

I'll take it!

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"If you think THIS is fantastic...wait until you see the full effect with the HIMP!"
- Chief Inspector Clouseau.

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Stefan Scholz
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 223
From: Schoenberg, Germany
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 07-12-2001 09:03 AM

I'd alsolike to have one, reasonably.

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Joe Ritter
Film Handler

Posts: 27
From: Cape May Court House, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 07-12-2001 10:23 AM

Thanks guys,
Now I am getting completely confused. I even had to go look on the bottle and see which cleaning liquid I had. I do have Filmrenu from Lary U. (that makes a nice poem don`t it.). I may have to find some Filmguard and try it. At any rate I want to try this Kelmar cleaning machine before I decide wheather I want to get rid of it or not. I have heard they are good machines, so I will see what it can do.------Thanks------Joe Ritter-------

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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 07-13-2001 04:25 AM

I was kidding Joe, Keep the bloody thing and buy some FG...you'll never look back.

Note: I have never seen nor tried Film Renew so am unable to attest to its effectiveness.

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Joe Ritter
Film Handler

Posts: 27
From: Cape May Court House, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 07-13-2001 12:31 PM

Hi guys,
Where is the best place to order some FilmGuard???????
Thanks for all the help.-----Joe Ritter---------

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Mitchell Cope
Master Film Handler

Posts: 256
From: Overland Park, KS, United States
Registered: Jun 99

posted 07-13-2001 01:38 PM

Click on the "FILM CLEANING" link at the bottom of this page (next to "FORUMS"). The bottom of that page has a link that takes you to the FilmGuard dealers.

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Derek Maxwell
Film Handler

Posts: 87
From: Ohio
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 07-14-2001 03:15 AM

Filmrenew is great for cleaning old dirty prints with a media cleaner but if you want to run newer films and get that WETGATE look and condition the print, then Filmguard is the thing you want. Filmrenew is also great for old brittle films to bring back the life in it if you want to soak a print. It's very gentle on film but tape splices will come loose. Filmguard is the best when it comes to making your films look as good as the day they were struck. I did this with some very old and used 16mm prints of Horror films last year and when I projected them, all the wear was gone and they looked like new and still run that way a year later. That stuff stays on the print and works wonders. Both products are great but it depends on what you want to use them for.

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Martin Frandsen
Master Film Handler

Posts: 270
From: Denmark, Europe
Registered: Jun 99

posted 07-24-2001 05:06 AM

Hey Per, what's with your photo? looks like you have your arm stuck in the projector gate!

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Joe Ritter
Film Handler

Posts: 27
From: Cape May Court House, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 07-24-2001 08:41 AM

Hi All,
I have tried the Kelmar cleaner on some film, With FilmGuard. It is FANTASTIC. I have not as yet tried the cleaner with FilmRenu. That will be next.
On another facet I was wondering if 16mm. film could be ran through the Kelmar machine. It looks to me that if one was to make a drive wheel that would fit inside the 35mm. drive wheel, slightly smaller in diameter and the proper width for 16 and using the rubber O-rings the same as the 35mm. wheel that the 16 could be run on the same machine. I wonder if this has already been tried? Anyone that has ideas on this suggestion please get on and lets argue it out. I always look at a machine and try to improve its usage or increase its flexability. If you think this idea is nuts say so, but state your reasons.------Thanks-------Joe Ritter--------

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 07-24-2001 09:01 AM

Joe Ritter asked: "I was wondering if 16mm. film could be ran through the Kelmar machine. It looks to me that if one was to make a drive wheel that would fit inside the 35mm. drive wheel, slightly smaller in diameter and the proper width for 16 and using the rubber O-rings the same as the 35mm. wheel that the 16 could be run on the same machine."

It would probably work. One concern might be that the O-rings that drive the unit would reach well into the 16mm image area. If there was any slippage of the film against the O-rings, abrasion of the image area might occur.

You might consider the use of the 3M Web Cleaner, which drive the cleaning media with a motor, rather than the geared-down movement of the film around a roller.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

Posts: 3061
From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 07-24-2001 12:47 PM

Joe:

Look at the '16mm on a platter' link in the picture warehouse to see a 70mm Kelmar cleaner being used with 16mm film. Leave it to Brad to figure out another use for a 70mm cleaner!

-Aaron

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