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Jonathan Smiles
Film Handler

Posts: 11
From: Devon UK
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 08-10-2001 11:34 AM

There has been some discussion on rec.arts.movies.tech about Ep2 having some 70mm release prints.

Well in my past dealings with Lucasfilm prior to Ep1, Fox wanted 70mm for the prestige and added value, but Lucasfim wanted digital projection to be hyped for Ep1 instead.

As we know there are a lot of 70mm capable theatres around the world and some of the multiplexes in the UK at least, have designed their biggest room to take a 70mm projector if they needed to (easier to find a DP75, Victoria 8 etc than pay for a DLP video projector).

How many of you out there are:
1, 70mm ready
2, Also have DTS
3, Have the DTS 70mm reader
4, Want Ep2 on 70mm
5, How would you rate (out of 10) the condition of your 70mm lens?

Blowing up 1920x1080 24p to 70mm, will I have seen Super8mm blown up to IMAX so there are limits – at least they ditched HD-CAM and are recording straight to hard disc, now if they had shot in 65mm.

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John Pytlak
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posted 08-10-2001 12:56 PM

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

You would really start to notice the lack of detail in the 2K HD original and CGI when blown up to 70mm.

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Jonathan Smiles
Film Handler

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From: Devon UK
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 08-10-2001 01:28 PM

Exactly what I meant by the 8mm to IMAX blowup, it still looks like 8mm, you can't polish a turd.

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Rory Burke
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From: Burbank, CA, USA
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posted 08-10-2001 02:02 PM

i still think they should make all star wars in 70mm dolby mag......God, those were the days!

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John Pytlak
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posted 08-10-2001 02:33 PM

Rory Burke said: "i still think they should make all star wars in 70mm dolby mag......God, those were the days!"

Remember, those "Star Wars" episodes were shot on 35mm film. I agree they looked great on a huge 70mm screen. But nothing tops well done 65mm origination like "Lawrence of Arabia", "The Sound of Music" or "Patton" to show the "Splendor of 70mm":
Splendor of 70mm (Part 1)
Splendor of 70mm (Part 2)
Todd-AO
Ultra Panavision
Lawrence of Arabia

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Rory Burke
Expert Film Handler

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From: Burbank, CA, USA
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posted 08-10-2001 07:30 PM

John P:

YES!!! I agree completely. Once the popularity of the 1st star wars release was apparent it would have been fabulous in hindsight if someone had made the executive decision to film the sequels in 70mm.... that's all!!

Rory

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Greg Mueller
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posted 08-10-2001 07:54 PM

I'm sure I remember there being a threat that if you didn't have DLP you wouldn't be showing episode 2. Does anyone else remember that?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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posted 08-10-2001 08:20 PM

I was told by undercover Lucasfilm people that the last S.W.'s installment will be released in comic book form sometime after cloneing is perfected!
Mark @ GTS

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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 08-10-2001 11:56 PM

I have to laugh at any threats that Lucasfilm might possibly make about only showing "Episode II: Send In the Clones" in DLP. That certainly has to be a rumor, George Lucas really couldn't possibly be that silly and unrealistic could he?

As far as 70mm goes and blowing up DLP, I think it is all a baseless rumor. But I do think it is sad that so many people are eaten up with this all things "digital" hype. What ever happened to just making a film in the highest quality format available? 70mm holds that title, not DLP.

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Danny Hart
Film Handler

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From: St Andrews, Scotland
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 08-11-2001 09:16 PM

George does this EVERY TIME he releases a film. He says "I've invented a new sound / picture format, if you can't play it you'll not get the film..." etc, whether it's THX, SRD-EX... This is the next thing.

Sure, Georgey. We'll play your film. But you pay for the equipment if you want it shown your way. And for future "upgrades" you'll require.

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Greg Anderson
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From: Ogden Valley, Utah
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posted 08-12-2001 01:25 AM

Easy, now.

Don't be too harsh with my pal, Mr. Lucas. If it hadn't been for his "unrealistic" practices then I never would have had the chance to work with 70mm at all in 1983. And if you're going to make a movie with wall-to-wall CGI then who's to say that DLP isn't the best format for such a movie?

I'm still waiting for someone to have the guts to show The Horse Whisperer in DLP and claim that digital cinema is the way to go for all kinds of movies.

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Jonathan Smiles
Film Handler

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From: Devon UK
Registered: Jul 2001

posted 08-13-2001 10:02 AM

Just to point out that DLP (Digital Light Processing) refers to the Texas Instruments (TI) digital projector "engine", a movie would not be blown up from DLP, but from 1920x1080 digital source.

Last time I talked to TI the projector chips where only up to 1280x1080 res but may be 1920x1080 now.

As for the hype of digital projection, can't agree more, digital does not mean quality in same way analogue does not mean inferior.

No back to my questions - how many theatres are 70mm DTS ready and have 70mm lenses in good condition?

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