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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 09-20-2001 11:15 PM

Brad has some excellent info on how to find the frame line on which to cut on trailers from various distributors in the Tips section of the site. But I need some help on where to cut paid-for ads. I work for Regal Cinemas and we are currently running an ad called Foundation For a Better Life "Umpire." I made a missplice today. I am always super careful and rarely have missplices in previews, but those darn ads! Can anyone offer tips on finding the frame lines? thx.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 09-20-2001 11:35 PM

Ken, the easiest way to find a frame line is to find one known frame line as close as possible to the area you are splicing in. Then, if you have an old projector sprocket, take that thing and mark it with shoe polish or something like that every four teeth.

Then, put one of those marks in alignment with the known frame line, and roll the sprocket between your thumb and fore fingers until you get to where you want to go. The line you painted on the sprocket is now where the frame line is supposed to be.

When you find this works, label the sprocket "Ye Olde Frame Line Finder"

Paul

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Randy Stankey
Film God

Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 09-20-2001 11:40 PM

I just got an idea a while ago:
I was in an old shut down theatre a while ago and we found a whole butt load of old parts, including a bunch of old sprockets.

I was thinking that one of those old sprockets could be made into a makeshift frame counter by sticking a long carriage bolt through the hole and using some nuts and washers to hold it on there. Then you can fix it to the bench or somehow make a base for it. Paint some lines on the sprocket to coincide with the frame lines and viola!

Next time I get over to the place where I can get my hands on those parts I'm going to try it. I'll let y'all know how it works.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 09-21-2001 01:53 AM

Randy, you'll never leave home without that old sprocket in your pocket.

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Aldo Baez
Master Film Handler

Posts: 266
From: USA
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 09-21-2001 03:08 PM

What I did is i got an old 35 foot leader (a new one works good too) and I taped it onto my buildup table with clear tape. That way I have about 3-4 feet of frame lines I can easily check with.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 09-21-2001 03:42 PM

Those advertisement trailers are no harder to find a frame line on than a regular trailer. The tip is to save ALL of the black lead in and out. Find the "2" or whatever the last mark is on the theater and then cut right there on the frame line. That guarantees you an in-frame cut AND preserves the audio track which is ahead of the picture. For the end, just roll through the ad and into the black. Save all frames right up to the "FINISH" mark, or the first frame of "tail leader garbage" and cut right there on the frame line.

I have never had a need for a frame counter nor strip of film to cut trailers in frame when doing it in this manner. It saves a lot of time and makes the show nicer with a quick pause in between each advertisement.

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 10-10-2001 10:56 PM

Last week I cut one of our policy trailers out of frame!

I remember there being a line in the middle of the black. I thought this was a frame line. Was I wrong? Or did I just miss the line? I have not had any problems whatsoever cutting trailers; just ads, and now the policy.

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Randy Stankey
Film God

Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 10-10-2001 11:14 PM

Paul;

I don't have much room to keep a sprocket in my pocket with all the other stuff I already have stuffed into my pants!

However, I rigged up this little doo-dad just like Paul said.

I've been going around to all my theatres (who need one) and installing them. They should have NO reason to miss a splice, anymore... unless they seriously F*** something up!

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