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John Brookshire
Film Handler

Posts: 8
From: Acworth, GA, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 11-16-2001 02:47 PM

has anyone else experienced problems with the Shallow Hal Soundtrack not syncing with the movie? I've had this problem on both my Digital and Stereo Soundtracks, and in multiple houses so I'm pretty sure it's not Hardware that's the problem...

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 11-16-2001 02:51 PM

Is the sync problem on one reel, or all reels? A sound recording or lab problem would likely affect only one reel of the feature. If the sync seems to drift from scene to scene, it goes back to editing or ADR. If the entire feature is out of sync in the same way, look to your equipment (offsets) or threading procedures (e.g., loop sizes).

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John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 11-16-2001 02:53 PM

I've had no problems.

What digital system; DTS or Dolby? Is syncing the only problem? Are you using one of those "roll-around" racks (to share a digital system between multiple screen?) Could the digital offset delay be different for each and someone forgot to set it for the auditourium you're using now?

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Darryl Spicer
Film God

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From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 11-16-2001 06:15 PM

Yes, We have been having some problems with the sync in I think it is reel #1 or #2....I think it only lasts a few seconds when it does it....It is running DTS.....Have not noticed if it goes out in the analog though....

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Wes Hughes
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 175
From: Raleigh, NC, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 11-19-2001 12:53 AM

I have had some problems...reels 1 and 2 mostly....in SRD. It must be in editing since a lot of the sync problems occur in the same scene...Jack Black will say something in sync, and then Paltrow will say something in responce way out of sync.

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Josh Jones
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From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 11-19-2001 08:43 AM

John, What is ADR anyway?

Josh

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Darryl Spicer
Film God

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From: Lexington, KY, USA
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posted 11-19-2001 09:04 AM

The A can be considered as Added or Additional Dialauge Recording...ADR....it is used do to all the noise that is picked up by the on set mikes....The actors are in a recording booth as the scene they are in is projected. They then record their dialauge word for word with expresion of emotion to match the scenes....

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 11-19-2001 10:15 AM

Here are some links to information about ADR:
http://www.filmsound.org/terminology/adr.htm
http://www.sweetwater.com/insync/word.tpl?find=ADR
http://www.apple.com/creative/ama/0202/starwars/

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 11-20-2001 12:36 PM

Yes, there are print problems with SHALLOW HAL, the studio is aware of the problem. Please call the film distribuator and request a new print.

Karen at DTS

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John Brookshire
Film Handler

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From: Acworth, GA, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 11-20-2001 03:06 PM

as mentioned it's mostly in the first two reels that we've noticed.
As far as the digital goes, it ran in 2 auditoriums both with Dolby Digital. I received two new sets of DTS discs today, even though I only have one print.

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 11-20-2001 11:49 PM

We received new discs today. Automatically. Didn't even have to ask for 'em. Don't know if it works or not because that print is now in a house that does not have DTS.

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Ray Derrick
Master Film Handler

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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 11-21-2001 01:53 AM

Just a further note on ADR, it is also commonly used to add the dialogue in wide shots where lip sync is not apparent. Because a boom mic or fishpole would be in the shot, the only alternative is to use lapel mics which sound just awful at the best of times, so it is an easy matter and preferrable to record the dialogue later.

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Charles Everett
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: New Jersey
Registered: May 2001

posted 11-21-2001 11:32 AM

R1 and R2 of Shallow Hal are out of sync. R1 of Sexy Beast (US version) was out of sync. Do I surmise there is something strange in the Deluxe lab?

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 11-21-2001 11:46 AM

If all the sound formats are out of sync by the same amount on one reel, it's likely due to a printer threadup issue, where the sound negative and picture negative were threaded with the incorrect offset. I would not blame it on a particular lab, as it is mostly dependent upon the printer operator, such that it could happen at any lab. I'm sure the lab will take corrective action.

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Paul G. Thompson
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 11-25-2001 09:15 PM

DTS did issue a new disk for that movie. If you have a red disk, a blue disk is supposed to replace it. DTS invited us to throw the red disk in the trash can.

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