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Patrick J. McCart
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According to American Cinematographer, Pacific Title is restoring the 65mm Todd-AO version of Around the World in Eighty Days (along with 2001 and Cheyanne Autummn)

Along with this AC article (it's on their website) and a lead from Turner Classic Movies (Robert Osborne stated after the first 2.35:1 TV presentation of the film on US TV on 12/12/01 that the film is being restored.) it looks like we'll finally see this film in its 70mm glory!

Pacific Title restored Superman: The Movie recently digitally.


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Gordon McLeod
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Interseting since the 30 fps neg of 80 days was considered unsalvagable a few years ago

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Mark Lensenmayer
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This is one of the great mysteries of film preservation. I have heard SO many versions about the condition of this film. I've heard the negatives were housed in one of the Michael Todd theatres in Chicago, and were slowly rotting. I asked James Katz about it at a presentation of REAR WINDOW, and he said the negatives were at Warners, but were in very bad shape. I've also heard that most of the negative was OK, but one of the reels had been laquered, making it unusable. I hope these new reports are reliable.

Last I saw the film was in the early '80's, 24fps 70mm.

Not a great film, but one worth saving.

It is annoying that prints are being struck of some of these "restored" films, but play one engagement and then disappear. PATTON is a recent example. There are a few places around that could play these films and, possibly, make a bit of money.


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John Pytlak
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Before the development of wet printing, lacquering of negatives was a common technique for "healing" scratches. Hindsight says that applying permanent coatings to camera negative films can be problematic, especially with poor storage conditions.

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Greg Mueller
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Are there many projectors that will run 30 fps ??
(Besides the Norelco)

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John Walsh
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Century JJ's will run 30 fps (at least with the orginally equipped motor.) So will Cinemecannica V8's.


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Ben Wales
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Also the Cinemeccancia V10 and the Bauer U2

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Larry Myers
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Hi

I thought that "80 Days" was shot with two 65mm cameras. One set at 30fps and the other set at 24fps. I also thought that the 65mm 24fps negative was used to produce 35 anamorphic prints only.

So there may be two sets of 65mm negatives. Maybe that's why all the stories.

Larry

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Yes, there were two side by side 65mm cameras used to shoot it. There are indeed two sets of negs and I was also told that the negs were stored in the basement of the Cinestage Theatre in Chicago till sometime in the late 60's. The Cinestage was often called Mike Todd's laboratory theatre. I was in the Cinestage before it was demolished and even the Smell-O-Vision machine was still there in the basement. With modern digital techniques I'd bet it is possible to restore the 30 fps print. It would be very expensive to do, but hey, why not?
Mark @ GTS

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Tao Yue
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quote:
STAR TREK and PATTON are two recent examples.

Patton had the Academy screening, but Star Trek? I presume you mean Star Trek: The Motion Picture? Foundation Imaging rendered the new special effects only at DVD resolution to save time and money. The "Making Of" featurette made it clear that their models were very detailed (particularly the forming of the bridge to V'ger). But to re-render at 2K or 4K for a new print, they'd need additional funding from Paramount. I hadn't heard anything about them having gotten the green light, much less completed the work.


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Steve Guttag
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Just about any projector nowadays can run at 30fps with very little effort. Of the 70mm models currently available, all, that I am aware of, can be ordered with 3-phase motors. Some, like Kinoton, come with them standard. As such, with a motor controller, you can set the projector to run at any speed and even change speed on the fly. Some automations, most notably the EPRAD Ultimation, come with a special output and status to switch projector speed on the fly too.

Steve

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Greg Mueller
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I'm surprised. With as few films that employ 30fps, I'd think there wouldn't be much call for that option. Maybe I'm underestimating the amount of Todd AO out there?

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Gordon McLeod
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not the amount of ToddAo but 30 fps is popular with some special venue stuff

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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The air museum in Seattle used to run a pair of Bauer U-2's with a 30 fps 35mm presentation. It looked darn good!
Mark @ GTS

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Steve Guttag
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Greg:

3-phase motors and projectors are not just about 30fps but more common being able to run at slower speeds too for silent films. 30fps is popular, sure but we have set up many projectors to run from 16fps to 30 fps (Simplex and Kinoton) primarily for the silent speeds.

This is becoming trendy in art/special venue houses.

Steve

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