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Joshua Wood
Film Handler

Posts: 6
From: Santa Rita, GU, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 12-17-2001 06:06 AM

Anyone know if Lord of the Rings is DTS ES? It says Dolby Digital Surround EX on the credits, but nothing about DTS ES.

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Keith Peticolas
Expert Film Handler

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From: Eagle River, Alaska, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 12-17-2001 06:11 AM

Yes, I believe so. Running it right now, and DTS ES playing fine.

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Antonio Marcheselli
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From: Florence, Italy
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posted 12-17-2001 07:02 AM

As Karen told me once, if the movie is DD-EX it is also DTS-ES.

It is like if the film is originally DS and the TV broadcast it in Stereo: it is automatically in DS since the DS is encoded in the two-stereo channels.

Since the EX is encoded in the two channels of surrounds, it will be available both in DD and DTS.

Bye
Antonio

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 12-17-2001 12:48 PM

The LORD OF THE RINGS is in DTS-ES.

Karen at DTS

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 12-17-2001 06:23 PM

Whenever a movie is recorded to be played in Dolby Digital Surround EX or DTS-ES matrix, the surround channels are simply mixed to reach certain volume levels to cause the sound to pull back to the center surround channel.

Whenever volume intensities in both Left Surround and Right Surround channels reach the same level, that sound event gets steered to the Center Surround channel. I had thought there was some special encoding for the process, but that is really all there is. Just as any DD-EX release can be played in DTS-ES (provided there are discs for the film) if there is an SDDS track, it will also properly play the derived center surround when the signal is fed through a Dolby SA-10, DTS-ES processor or even one of those Smart thingies.

It is best to only play movies in DD-EX or DTS-ES when those films are mixed specifically for the format. You can get some undesirable effects when applying DD-EX or DTS-ES to something not mixed for it.

For example, my father recently upgraded his home theater system with a new Denon 4802 receiver among other things. He called me up and said his sound system was not working right when he played the special edition DVD of "The Abyss." The surrounds were sounding out of only the center surround channel. I told him that is only a 4.1 channel audio track with mono surround summed across RS and LS channels. You get total collapse to center surround when activating the DD-EX mode.

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Darryl Spicer
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From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 12-17-2001 06:40 PM

Yes this is true....it must be a stereo suuround signal in order for it to process correctly....Anything with a Mono surround signal must be played in a 4.1 or 5.1 configuration not a 6.1 configuration....

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Joe Redifer
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From: Denver, Colorado
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posted 12-18-2001 01:08 AM

DTS does offer DISCRETE 6.1. I don't know what movies offer it, though. Probably very few.

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Paul Linfesty
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From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 12-18-2001 02:06 AM

Yes, and I bought a DENON 3801 so I can listen to all two or three discs with it! (Seven, Gladiator) IF I ever getting around to buying additional speakers!

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Antonio Marcheselli
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From: Florence, Italy
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posted 12-18-2001 02:54 PM

Joe,

I presume that you are speaking of Home Theater. I know that DTS ES discrete is on DVD only, not theatrical.

Bye
Antonio

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Joe Redifer
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posted 12-18-2001 05:56 PM

Yup

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 12-18-2001 06:51 PM

Aside from the old movies Anchor Bay is re-mastering into DTS-ES (such as "The Stuntman" and "Suspiria") there are few recent DVD releases featuring the process.

"Seven" Platinum Edition, "Gladiator," "Chicken Run," "The Haunting" DTS DVD separate version and "Rush Hour 2" are the only ones I can think of from memory. The title track from Don Henley's "End of the Innocence" DTS music CD is encoded in DTS-ES 6.1. Sheryl Crow's "Globe Sessions" DTS music CD has DTS-ES 6.1 on all tracks.

That's not very much software. But judging by all the new DTS-ES 6.1 Discrete equipped receivers I have seen recently introduced by Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon and others, I would say we'll finally start to see an increase in DVDs with DTS-ES 6.1 tracks.

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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 12-20-2001 04:40 PM

At this time and for standard theaters, only the 5.1 system with a DTS-ES decoder is available (a matrix of surround channels to add in the back surround). Granted, the mix must be capable (or mixed) for for the extra surround channel. That decision is up to the film maker or studio, not DTS.

Only "special venue" theaters get 6 (or more) discrete channels.

To play back

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Ken Lackner
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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 12-31-2001 06:38 PM

I've never heard of DTS ES. Judging by the context of this thread, I assume it is an extra channel. Is it a rear channel, like Dolby's EX, or something else?

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Joe Redifer
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posted 12-31-2001 08:00 PM

Ken,

DTS-ES adds an extra channel that each audience member straps to their chin. It is awesome.

Seriously though, yes, DTS-ES is the exact same thing as Dolby Digital-EX (fake rear surround channel). Though DTS has a much cooler adapter than Dolby's SA-10. Dolby's unit is a giant rack space stealing hulk, and DTS's unit is a tiny little thing that switches in and out of ES automatically when hooked up to the timecode reader. It also has as much impact on the sound as Dolby EX---next to none. At least the DTS-ES unit is cheaper, so if you want to spend money and get next to nothing, DTS-ES is the way to go since you will spend less.

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Antonio Marcheselli
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From: Florence, Italy
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posted 01-01-2002 01:52 PM

Ken,

More, DTS-ES has separate equalization for 6.1 or 5.1 channel configuration. Dolby has just one equalization.

Es means "extended surround"; can anyone remember me what "EX" means?

Bye
Antonio

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