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Michael Elam
Film Handler

Posts: 84
From: Clarksville, IN, USA
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 12-24-2001 11:46 AM

What's up with the Shrink Wrapped reels?, I already have enough static problems without more being introduced from the distriubtors.

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Sean McKinnon
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1712
From: Peabody Massachusetts
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 12-24-2001 11:57 AM

Why would this cause more static? I think its a great idea to keep prints clean.

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Keith Peticolas
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 108
From: Eagle River, Alaska, USA
Registered: Aug 2001

posted 12-25-2001 01:09 AM

It's not the shrink wrap that got me, it was the fool who broke ALL the reels putting my print of Kate & Leopold together for shipping. 7 out of 7 came on broken reels. Thanks to the idiots at TES. At least when we all finally go digital, we can say goodbye to these fools who screw up the process.

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Ken Layton
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1452
From: Olympia, Wash. USA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 12-25-2001 09:40 AM

Keith:

Going video won't eliminate the problems with TES. You'll just be trading one set of fools for another set of fools.

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Joe Grace
Film Handler

Posts: 44
From: Maine
Registered: Feb 2000

posted 12-25-2001 10:00 AM

I think that its a great idea! Usualy I find bits of that cardboard that comes in the can on the print. I dont see how shrink wrapping prints would cause static. I would rather see them spend more money on new reels and cans though.

Joe

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 931
From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 12-26-2001 01:46 AM

New reels, yes.
Im actually starting to tolerate the new technicolor reels.
The only problems I can think of off the top of my head:
Sometimes no noch for the key.
They warp too easily.
Sometimes they are not assembled properly, which is easily fixed, but still takes time away from biuld-up.

New cans, DEFINITEY.
One of the ALI cans I got (the one with the DTS disks and a buch of trailers) had cardboard shedding from hell.
Ive seen cardboard dust get on the reels before, but these trailer were coated by it, almost if they had been buried and dug back up just for us.
I actually couldnt tell if it was cardboard dust or rust of a combination of both.
I had to pull what trailers I could off the shelf and substitute the one I didnt have any extra of.
Ive requested replacements for these trailers, and Ill have to follow up on that on Thursday.
And then theres the famous beat up can everyone loves.

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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 12-26-2001 07:26 AM

When I was a projectionist I used to receive shrink-wrapped prints which were US release prints that had been ultrasonically cleaned after being imported to the UK. In particular, Buena Vista did this a lot. Static didn't occur to me as a problem, but one thing that did was the idea of forming an airtight seal around a print that had just been immersed in acetone. The smell of the stuff was really overpowering: I especially remember a print of 'Beloved' which stank the box out for a week. It also shedded like mad, depositing tons of gungy crud all over the film path on every pass. Could cleaning a reel and then forming an airtight seal round it before the solvent evaporated have implications for the base or emulsion chemistry?

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Tom Kroening
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 214
From: Janesville, WI USA
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 12-27-2001 04:21 AM

Oh its really fun when they send you shrinkwrapped film on cores with no reels. I called and complained. A week later i got a box of broken reels... AHHH I just love to hate TES

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 12-27-2001 02:12 PM

Leo said: "The smell of the stuff was really overpowering: I especially remember a print of 'Beloved' which stank the box out for a week. It also shedded like mad, depositing tons of gungy crud all over the film path on every pass."

Was it a triacetate print that had been "glass wheel polished" with solvents (like acetone), or perhaps a print with a UV-cured coating? If the UV-cured coating was put in the perforation area or edges that are abraded by the projector, it could leave lots of debris. The coatings also sometimes have a persistent pungent odor.
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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 01-07-2002 02:54 AM

It was acetate alright: by that stage (97 or 98 I think) it was becoming unusual to get acetate prints of Hollywood titles, (though the French labs, e.g. LTC and Eclair still seemed to be producing them regularly), which is one of the reasons I specifically remember that one.

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Heyward Garner
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 101
From: Winston-Salem, NC, USA
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 01-12-2002 03:30 AM

Hey, at least your prints of Kate & Leopold came on reels...

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