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Topic: Gaumont Kalee model 12
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Luciano Brigite
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-12-2002 02:54 PM
Hello all, that's my first post here and I'm looking for some information on Gaumont Kalee model 12.
I got one of these projectors a few months ago and I'm still working on putting it to run properly , still need to replace some parts of it.
well, my questions about this projector are a few, I'm planning in re-painting it completely and restoring it to original, or nearly original and any information on htis machie is very welcome .
First of all.. this projector seems to be very different from all the other Kalee's I know and doesn't have the sound head below the projection head, the one I got has a Zeis Ikon soundhead sitting between the lamphouse and projection head, it's the right setup for this machine? I mentioned I'm planning to re-paint it, then, what is hte original color of Kalee's? I worked with models 18 and 21 and both were gold with white details (?), same apply to the lamphouse, mine is the President model, still running carbons ( but I don't have any :/ ) ( in the case of lamphouse, what color it 's painted inside? ) last question is about the intermittent.. mine is making a loud knock noise while running without film and i'm a bit worried about it.. is a loud noise a sign of upcoming problems with the intermittent? the only thing I noticed is that it lowers a little when I turn the frame fully to one of the sides and increases while turned to other. well.. that's all I have to ask for now.. more to come soon...
Thanks.
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Luciano Brigite
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-12-2002 08:26 PM
Ok..
First thing I did when I got this projector was open it and clean the mech., oil tubes, filter and so on. I did not open or removed the intermittent box in any moment, and the only thing I did on it was remove a grid-like cover to clean it then placed it back on the box,put the cover back and filled the projection head with oil. Then I'm sure it has oil in it and yes, it's being pumped to the places it needs to be, including the intermittent ( I didn't have other way to check it in a clean way, took the cover off and put it to run..)As I mentioned before, the noise decreases when I turn the frame control clockwise ( starting from the mask centre mark pointing up) and increases when I turn counterclockwise. at first I was thinking that it could be the intermittent's assembly touching somewhere inside the projector, now I'm worried about the clearance of it's parts, I ran a short reel I use to test projectors at work after cleaning and such and didn't notice anything wrong with the image, it's steady on every way.
There is anything I can do to check the intermittent? or is better I take it somewhere to be examinated? Thanks for the information about the color of this machine. I guess the one I got was repainted a few times already then.
About the soundhead, wich one is best, leave the Zeis Ikon running just like I got it or try to find a Kalee or RCA soundhead and change the setup?
( I'm working with a Philips FP-5 in the theatre I'm on now and, yes, it has a separate soundhead, works good and is silent compared to many other projectors, but I still prefers Simplex, Century or Victorias for some reason)
Thanks 
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Josh Jones
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Posts: 1207
From: Plano, TX
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 02-12-2002 10:09 PM
ok, thanks for the correction. Brenkerts refer to that as the radius adjustment. As for the soundhead, if it works well, sounds good, ect. why bother getting a different one. Without getting into a war over it, I like RCA soundheads, drawback is you cant easily get parts for them anymore. besides those, Simplexes(the older style) are decent, supposively having the lowest wow and flutter of other soundheads in the US, except maybe a Kinotone. since I know nothing about Kalee's, I have no idea what they are compatible with as far as mounting is concerned.Josh
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Luciano Brigite
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-13-2002 12:58 AM
Josh,
Based on everything that was told me and on what I saw in other theatres I worked, it's possible to mount other kinds of projection heads on Simplex and RCA soundhead as long as the proper mounting adaptors and intermediate gears are provided.
I worked with a Kalee 18, mounted on a Kalee SH and when it got a serious damage ( something got into the shutter cage and locked it causing about half of the gears to self destruct) it was replaced by a Simplex Xl head, and the only thing that was changed was the gears and one metal block that served as adaptor . it worked fine. Why mine came with a separate, non motorised Sh, I have no clue.
it works ok,but will be a PITA at the time to align a stereo cell on it . ( the drum looks like the ones used on victorias) the one I have in it is mono . Richard,
thanks for the info on it's color and SH.
the company you mentioned in your message, Centauro, is the one I trust most here . I have a projector they made ( well.. part of it, only a projection head, no pedestal or SH)and it's a well done and simple machine.several years, or better, decades, of work and the mech is like new. I'm working on this one too and it will be back to work in a matter of days . ( maybe i'll have some pics available if my camera don't waste the reel again . GRRRRRR!)
Gordon,
How I can check the star/cam clearance of this intermittent and what kind of tools I'll need to do it?
Or, it's better take it to be checked by someone more experienced in this kind of assembly?
Thank you all for the help
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Richard Fowler
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Posts: 2392
From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 02-13-2002 07:32 AM
Luciano,
Centauro was started in 1935 by the grandfather of the present owners - Mariam and her brother - when he left another company to start manufacturing projection equipment, starting with carbon arc lamphouses. Where their office / shop is located was the "film center" district for your country in the 1930's to 1950's....the cinema exhibtors went to buy equipment and book films.
Brazil early start was with the importation of Pathe projectors from France around 1909.
Your country until 1984 was basically a closed market with high import tarrifs and your national government encourged local production of equipment, which in many respects was very good and very flexible.
Centauro, Inchol ( Defaria family ), Phillips, Kalee where many of the brands offered in addition to 16mm sound projectors built in Southern Brazil....quality of some of these items are such they where exported as far as Mexico......at UCLA, the famous university in Los Angeles, there is an Inchol as part of their projection equipment collection......some special projectors manufactured was a 16/35/70mm projector with a lamphouse with an adjustable mounting to work all formats which your government purchased.
Today you have Cinemeccanica, Christie, Kinotone, Simplex, Century but there still many Phillips, Inchol, Kalee GK-37 units working everyday.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc./Que oferece uma linha completa de equipamentos para cinemas. www.tvpmiami.com
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Luciano Brigite
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-13-2002 12:44 PM
Stan,
Thanks for your offer in setting the intermittent to me,but I got the confirmation I was afraid of today.
I took the intermittent assy to be inspected in two different shops here and both gave me the same result. at some point of it's working life, the projector i got ran out of oil or had some problem with it.
result: no oil in the intermittent box  both parts, star/cam, has scratches on it's surfaces and they're not bright as others parts they showed me.
I think that there's not much to do with this one now. It'll run ok, except for the loud noise. I'll see if i can find a replacement for it ( new parts or complete assembly) or maybe get another projector and junk this one ( and that's something I don't want to do...)
Richard,
Seems you know a lot of things about theatre equipment and shops from here and there's an Inchol ( well. .I know them as Incol) in UCLA?? wow.. that one traveled a bit.
The place you refers as the film centre, still has at least two companies and the film depot is located there too. I believe that's what has left from everything that it used to be before.I'm always around there ,talking to theatre people and techs and looking for a job opportunity in one of these shops. ( I'm not good with mechanics but I'm learning. my deal is more with electric/electronic for now.)
Thanks all
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Luciano Brigite
Master Film Handler
Posts: 277
From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-21-2002 10:45 PM
Okay.. now I'll get a silly look in my face with this post..  Even after having two people saying my intermittent was bad, I still took it to another tech inspect, but instead of taking only the movement, took the entire projection head, the guy took it off, inspected and.. " hey dude.. there's no problem in it.." he even put it ro run outside the projector and .. no noise. worked just silent.
The problem turned to be in the projection head, but at the time I was so mad at myself that decided to leave it as is.. Curiously, after putting the movement back in it's place, the noise decreased a little when the projector is running..
Ok, you all can make fun of me now.... I still sucks with mechanics but I'm not lowering my head to it.. I'm learning with my mistakes.. even if I get funny things said about me here and there 
Gimme a booth to set up.. I'll do it.. set up a sound system.. will do. but fix a mech. problem.. wait a few years..
Now I know it won't annoy me except with the noise.. I gotta decide what kind of light source I'll use with it..
I got a lot of suggestions from people I know here ( no, not here on FT) but I thinkh tat many aren't ok for things done right.. maybe I should post a different topic to discuss it.. any sugestions ?? Laters!
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