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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-17-2002 10:32 PM
I've seen some films that had alternate R rated and PG/G rated takes concerning dialog. "Back to the Future" is one such film that had uncut and TV friendly takes. It costs more money to produce, but often is better than looped over dialog that attempts to cover up profanity. So really if a movie production is going to go to the effort in producing clean and uncut versions of a film, I think they need to do it in a complete fashion than just looping over someone's dirty words. I mean, people can still read lips and the looping rarely ever does a decent match for what is happening on the screen or even in context to the sound character of the other dialog in the scene.One might also ask, "why bother?" When you get down to it, the dirty words, violence and nudity are really superficial things. The overall context of the subject matter is really what may be disturbing. I think some of the junk shown on daytime TV is every bit as harmful for youngsters to view as any porn film or ultra-violent action movie. Sure, there may be no profanity or nudity, but the kids get the idea anyway and form their own conclusions about it when not properly supervised.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-17-2002 10:35 PM
Although I will agree that foul language gets a little excessive in today's films, these types of "corrections" should be done when the movie is in production, not after it hits the market. It would stick out like a sore thumb, and I don't think too many people would accept it.Two examples that come to mind: Can you visualize an Eddie Murphy film that has a politically correct bogus sound track? Can you imagine what the film Full Metal Jacket would be like with a politically correct bogus sound track? IMHO, BAH! Yes, I will admit, I can have a potty mouth just like anyone else. There was one movie I ran that the sound track was so filthy it shouldn't even found its way into the theater in the first place. I forgot the title, but it was not worth remembering anyway. It was a very crappy movie. It was in and out the door in one week, probably because of the sound track.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-18-2002 11:18 AM
Bobby, I certainly agree with you when you said it is getting out of hand. Darryl, the movie I was in reference to could have been Q&A, but to be fair about it, I cannot say for sure. However, the movie's soundtrack was so filthy I turned the booth monitor off because I didn't want to hear it. You were lucky - you could walk out. I couldn't.....I had to run the damn thing.
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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-18-2002 01:46 PM
Not to disagree on "Six Feet Under", arguably one of the great shows on TV today, but its use of foul language really is not that much. I actually did a count on one of last seasons episodes that seemed like it was using the foul language a bit too much, and only found nine instances. A good example of using the words for dramatic impact, making us feel or think like its too much.Now I have seen many shows where it was nothing but swearing. YOu really get tired of those shows. They take a mental toll on you. You start to realize that absolutely no intelligence goes into writing like that. I cant even name a show because I have much more intelligence than that to bother putting it into my long term memory. As for really bad edits for television, my personal favorites are Total Recall and RoboCop. Both paul verhoven films, both rated X origianally, and both edited down for theatrical release to barely qualify for the R rating. When they went to TV, the editing was so choppy and the overdubbing so horrible, that entire scenes just dissapeared, making the movie unintelligible. If you are going to make a movie that you want TV audiences to eventually see, you have to take that into account BEFORE you make the film. If anything, those horrible cuts may have caused more damage to Paul Verhovens carreer than Showgirls or Starship TRoopers ever could. Dave
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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler
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From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-18-2002 04:35 PM
DTS narrration and descriptive tracks are being used at selected locations in the USA and Canada. There are also a few in Europe.These applications are with the DTS-CSS system and require special discs. The special discs are usable only with the DTS-CSS system. You can find general information on the DTS-CSS system by looking on our web site at www.dtsonlne.com and click on 'cinema'. Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com
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