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Derek Maxwell
Film Handler

Posts: 87
From: Ohio
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 03-21-2002 02:52 AM

Where can I get some Black Frame Line leader? Anybody have any sources or have some lying around?

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 03-21-2002 02:57 AM

Most any dealer stocks this item. To the left side of your computer screen, click on "FilmGuard" and then click on "approved dealer list" and you will see over 100 dealers, any of which can take care of your request.

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Sandie Caffelle
Film Handler

Posts: 24
From: Herefordshire, UK
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 03-21-2002 04:12 AM

Derek

Contact Dave Bevilacqua at CPI as I know they stock it:

dave@cinprod.com

Sandie

PS: They also stock Filmguard !!!!!

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John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999

posted 03-21-2002 08:09 AM

Yes, but where can I get black frameline leader that does not show the frame lines while running in scope? The stuff we get does.

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Michael Brown
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1522
From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001

posted 03-21-2002 11:32 AM

I have another comment. I have a roll of black film (has white framelines

) in my booth.

The problem is this. It has no soundtrack. I mean the both sides of the film are black (no side has a flat white line analog sound track)

When it runs throught the projector there sounds appears to cut out. I.e there is no hiss.

Lets say i need a second or 2 of black film to paste between 2 trailers. (or to stick on the end of a dolby logo ect) I would much rather use a section of black from the end of a spare footer/header I have lying around. Because there if a flat sound track there. So the hiss dosen't cut out.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 03-21-2002 12:48 PM

Micheal, I don't know what you have, but all my stuff that is black with white (clear) framelines has the sound track blacked out. Look at yours, and I think you will see where the soundtrack would be. The framelines stop about 5/16 of an inch from the edge of the film. That would be the sound track side.

The other side, the frame lines will crowd the inner area very close to the sprocket perfs.

There is a possibility you have some weird stuff. The stuff I use is the B-100 Mylar, and I use it as a patch to save the logos, etc.

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Michael Brown
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1522
From: Bradford, England
Registered: May 2001

posted 03-21-2002 01:03 PM

The frameline dosen't extend all the way to the edges. Leaving a space for the soundtrack (on either side).

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 03-21-2002 02:06 PM

John, instead of ordering B-100, order BB-100. This film is black with no framelines, but has little marks on one edge of the film to show where the framelines are.
CLICK HERE

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 03-21-2002 06:39 PM

Brad, I am glad you posted the link. Basically, that is what I was trying to explain to Michael.

I really like the BB-100, as it would work very well without having frame lines showing on scope movies. The B-100 is not that forgiving.

The only thing I can see the B-100 has going for it is when it is used as a threading leader, as the link indicates. I personally would not care too much for the BB-100 used as threading leaders because it would be too easy for some people to mis-frame while threading. Apparently, it was designed for other purposes cited in the link.

BB-100 black-out leader would really be the ticket for splicing stock to preserve the logos, etc., especially during scope presentations. The B-100 will not look that nice with frame line shadows.

The type A, C, and D -- I personally do not like to see used. Too many times I have seen operators thread up with that stuff in such a manner as the automation "times in" before that leader is expended through the projector. The scanner beam sees that before the time code on DTS is read to engage the DTS sound. Same holds true for SRD. I have instructed my operators to use the B-100 to prevent the nasty SSSSSHHHHHHIIIIIIITTTTTTT!!!!!!! which sounds like hell in the auditorium.

And, of course, some operators still splice the B-100 on backwards so you can hear the 24hz motorboat caused by the scanner scanning the frame lines. It makes me want to

Oh, well...Tomorrow will be a better day.

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 03-21-2002 06:42 PM

I use old magstock and run it through the syncoblock(footage counter) to keep it in frame it is 100% opaque

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 03-21-2002 10:05 PM

Count me in as another vote for magnetic fullcoat. Just make sure you get at least the .5 mil thickness.

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 03-21-2002 10:11 PM

Kodak subsidiary FPC sells fullcoat magnetic recording film:
http://www.fpcfilm.com/US/en/motion/FPC/fpc/mpr_prod_specs.html

They also sell various types of leader:
http://www.fpcfilm.com/US/en/motion/FPC/fpc/fpc_main.html

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Carl Martin
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1424
From: Oakland, CA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 03-22-2002 07:13 PM

i clicked on john's second link, and after a few clicks came upon something called "fill leader". what might this be exactly? the page doesn't specify whether it is clear or black. i presume it doesn't have framelines. it is outrageously cheap though. maybe because it contains several splices per roll?

carl

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Derek Maxwell
Film Handler

Posts: 87
From: Ohio
Registered: Nov 1999

posted 03-22-2002 07:22 PM

I bought some of the B-100 leader and it is great. They also got it here the next day. Thanks for all your help.

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Joe Beres
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 606
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 03-22-2002 07:23 PM

Carl,
Fill leader is typically scrap picture that is used when editing sound on magstock during post-production. Editors use pic fill (as it is also called) instead of using unrecorded or erased mag for silent spots on a soundtrack. It is used because it is so cheap.

That isn't the best explanation, but perhaps an example will make it more clear:
Say you are editing an effects track for a film: You have to add in a one-second foley effect and then fifteen seconds later, you need to add another foley effect, but there does not need to be any sound between the two effects. You need to have something between the two effects to keep the sound in sync with the picture, so instead of using magstock to fill the dead space, people use fill leader. Does that make sense?

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