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Topic: Rotating Xenons? Pro or Con?
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-11-2002 11:49 PM
Michael, if the bulbs are fuseing on the negative end, I would highly recommend that the collar be tightened in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendation upon installation of the bulb.It might be a good idea to inspect that area perodically to make sure they are tight. If the bulbs are turning black, I would rotate them at half-warrenty life.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-12-2002 01:34 AM
Yes....heavy current flow through a loose or snug mechanical connection will cause plenty of heat. It'll get hot enough to weld itself to the other part.Anytime a bulb is changed, the critical parts should be examined for evidence of pitting or overheating. If this condition exists, you can tighten things down until you are blue in the face, only to find later that the situation has gotten worse. The parts that show overheating and pitting should be replaced. If the parts are not available, at least clean them up if at all possible. Lousy mechanical connections will probably void the warrenty.
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Don Sneed
Master Film Handler
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From: Texas City, TX, USA
Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 04-12-2002 04:27 AM
I have been told not to rotate a bulb, some manules say it is not needed.....I say "YES IT DOES" .... I tell everyone we install for to rotate the bulb 1/4 turn every 500 hours to burn the anode & cath. evenly, if you don't the bulb will flicker due to the anode & cath. burns unevenly which will cause the flicker, at 500 hours, turn 1/4 to prevent this....even bulbs that starts to flicker, by turning 1/4 or even a little bit more in most cases after a couple of days the flicker will be down to a minim or gone, if that don't work, turn a wee bit more, agin after a few days it should be back to normal, not in all cases but the majority will work it out & start to burn evenly..now of course this is only for the Horizontal lamps not the vertical, there is nothing that can be done about those accept to change them....by doing this rotating, you can get 3,000 to 6,000 hours easly from the bulb.....
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Pat Moore
Master Film Handler
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Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-12-2002 09:45 AM
I tend to come down more on Mark's side of this. Experience has taught me that there is no hard & fast single answer to the question.The theory of rotation and why to do it is fine and logical. But I hear a lot of reports about unstable arcs and increased arc waver after rotation, especially when that's done at half-life. Supposedly you can run the lamp at a higher current, near its maximum for a few hours, and the arc will generally settle down. I've seen instances where that does work and others where it doesn't. I like the quarter-turn at quarter-life idea a little better. I like rotating the lamp if there is obvious darkening of the quartz on the top-half of the envelope a little better than that. The best for me is if: a) the lamp arc is not wavering, and b) the quartz is clear, then don't fix what isn't broken. The lamp is "happy", let it run. I think Mark's statement about the capability of the booth staff to do this and monitoring the results is probably the most important factor. Pat
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John Pytlak
Film God
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-12-2002 12:51 PM
Pat: I agree with your concerns. But if electrode wear/sag has progressed to the point where simply rotating the lamp compromises performance, it's obvious that the wear is uneven. Perhaps the solution would be rotating on a more frequent schedule? Hard to argue with the point that many theatres today do not have anyone on staff that have the knowledge and skill to properly and safely rotate a lamp, and then readjust the alignment for optimum light output. BTW, are lamp mount shims available to allow a 90-degree rotation? Are they normally supplied by the lamphouse manufacturer, or the lamp manufacturer? ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Michael Rourke
Expert Film Handler
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From: San Luis Obispo, Central Coast of CA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-12-2002 05:51 PM
To the guys that rotate every 500 hours: How many screens do you run?I don't know if I could keep up with all that bulb maintennance with 11 screens, especially since 4 of those screens weren't being run by projectionists for 7 years and need a lot of work. I was taught to have the "tit", "nipple" whatever at 3:00 or 9:00, and then rotate at half life. I was told NEVER to have the "tit" at 12:00, and I was never told about increasing the wattage after rotation. Like Brad, I am just running as close to 100% of the bulb wattage from start up to finish, but I think the ORC bulb aren't fans of this method and have yet to wow me with prolonged performance.
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