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Jeff Joseph
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 131
From: Palmdale, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2000


 - posted 04-14-2002 04:36 PM      Profile for Jeff Joseph   Author's Homepage   Email Jeff Joseph   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have a beautiful 20' silver screen, installed 2 years ago. Someone I invited for a screening just went up and put a palm print on it! People really are morons...but the question is: what's the best way to clean it?

Thanks,

Jeff Joseph
SabuCat Productions

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Michael Rourke
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 159
From: San Luis Obispo, Central Coast of CA
Registered: Feb 2002


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I clean my screens with a terry cloth shammy and some warm water/mild detergent soap solution. This is only for spot cleaning when you don't have funds to hire a professional (named Broken Hand, true story) or one was just out and you started selling JuJU Bees to a bunch of savages.

BTW I grew up in Lancaster.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


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We use a gentleman from Canada that specializes in masking rigging as well as curtain rigging. He uses a special chemical for screen cleaning, and a special procedure while using it. The results are nothing short of excellent.

Whether or not he will do silver screens I don't know.....but if you are interested, please email me and I will provide you with a name and how to contact him. I understand he will be in my area in about a week.


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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


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Cleaning "gain" screens is much more problematic than a matte white screen, since the gain coatings are sprayed on and usually quite fragile. Even if you don't remove the gain coating during cleaning, you may change the surface reflection properties enough to leave a very visible mark.

Best advice is to check with the screen manufacturer for recommended cleaning procedures, or hire a professional screen cleaning company recommended by others with similar screens:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/december98/screenCleaning.shtml

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Frank Angel
Film God

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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999


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John is right....I was called in on a problem where they tried to clean a "pearlescent" screen, which basically has microscopic reflective "bubbles" on the screen surface. There was nothing to be done; they had ruined it. You could see streaks and dark smudged areas.

There is a company that specializes in screen cleaning; they are out of Texas and the old guy who reminded my of a Slim Pickens double traveled all over the country in an old Chevy stationwagon to do his specialized and patented screen cleaning. He cleaned our screen one night -- worked on it for 5 hours. It was a remarkable improvement ( you have no idea how the screen gain drops off as the screen ages.. He claimed that screens have a useful life of about 10-15 years, depending on the house air conditioning/filtering and the geographical location (poluted inner city or out in the countryside). He gave us about another 5 years extension on the screen life.

He also told me that silver screens should only be dusted with a large screen brush. In a very bad case of a hand print or stains, like a coke spill, he claimed that you can use spray windex with just the slightest, lightest blotting of the spot with cotton. He said there is no guarantee that it will eliminate the spot, but the stain might be less visible after such a treatment. Silver screens should never be rubbed. I asked him about this because I have a silver screen at home with a few nephew-generated finger prints on it.

Sadly, he and his wife were killed in a car accident about a month after he did our screen job. The company still operates under his son. I think their name is Theatre Screen Cleaning, but I could be wrong -- will check when I get to the theatre.

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Todd Dillon
Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


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The name of the Company o8ut of Texas is:

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Todd Dillon
Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


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Brighten Your Image

info@theatre-services.com

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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000


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The name you were thinking of was "Big Al" Wiggington, the harmonica playing life of the party and ShoWest showman in the Indian outfit and tux. Big Al was one of the most likable characters you could ever meet. Much of the actual screen cleaning work for Theatre Services was done by his sidekick Broken Hand. (Yes, native american as well.)

Big Al had a fetish for screens being cleaned his way. After hearing the hype, and having cleaned small screens before myself, I decided to sit in one night while his crew cleaned the big screens at the Bay Harbor on Miami Beach, starting at 3 in the morning.

From watching, I'll say that Broken Hand was a consumate professional with wonderful gentle technique on the aging screens there. One mistep and Al's company would have been looking at buying an expensive huge sheet of vinyl.

The chemicals used were good, and removed most of the AC vent staining, and the job was very satisfactory. That said, cleaning screens is a lot less touchy than applying a finish coat of paint or laquer on furniture. The problem is, unlike a big screen, you can't easily punch holes in furniture with a paintbrush, and if you screw up cleaning a gain screen you can't sand it off and start over.

In your situation, blotting the hand print with distilled water on a soft paper towel would be the first thing to try. Depending on your nerves, you could try a weak degreasing solution, such as weak spic-n-span or tsp. Weak is the watchword. Dilute to 1/4 recommended strength. You don't want any strong chemical reactions. Scrubbing of any sort will ruin the surface so you can only blot straight against the screen with very little pressure. If the problem is something on the screen, you may remove it. It the handprint scrubbed the screen, you may be screwed.

Big Al's comments about screen life were huge generalizations. In some instances, yes, he was right. A theatre with bad HVAC and roof leaks can destroy a screen in a few months. Other theatres might have screens that remain clean for decades. Matte white screens can last much longer than gain screens.

A toast to Big Al, probably negotiating right now for a contract to keep the sky clean.


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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


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The link:
http://www.theatre-services.com/screen_cleaning.htm

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999


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Jerry,

You are right, Al was one of those people who immediately made you feel comfortable....and for a New Yorker and a Brooklynite New Yorker at that, that's quite a task; we don't take easily to fast friendships.

I stayed with him the whole five hours, swapped theatre war stories and by the time the sun came up, the two of us were sitting on the loading dock drinking coffee, I felt I had made a good friend in just that short amount of time and one of the few colorful characters left in the business.

What amazed me was how he would clean a section of the screen and wait for it to dry, then look at it with a knowing eye that only comes from years of working at his craft. He would pause and say, "nope, it ain't there yet," and go back and respray his "secret chemical compound" and do it again. He wasn't looking to see if I, the client, was happy -- hell, he knew I didn't know sh*t from shinola about cleaning a screen. He could have lifted that heavy "screen mop on its 20ft pole, done it once and said, "there, it won't get cleaner than that." But instead he was evaluating his own work and measuring it against his knowledge. He cleaned on section over and over again....I got tired just watching him. How many people today do that? He was quite remarkable and I was so impressed that I told everyone the next day in the office what a experience it was meeting this great old guy all the way from Texas, come to clean our screen!

You can imagine how shocked I was when I called the company just a few weeks later and found out the sad news.


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