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Topic: Allocation of Digital Sound in a Multi-Plex
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Rick Long
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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posted 05-17-2002 12:38 AM
I should like to present a hypothesis regarding digital allocation of equipment, in a multi-plex, for your consideration.Let us assume that I have a group of theaters with an average of ten screens each, and that in each of these ten-plexes, I have the following digital sound systems : 6 Dolby S.R.D., 2 D.T.S, and 2 S.D.D.S. All systems, using dockers, are movable. Further, let us assume that (for the purposes of this hypothesis) all prints are fortunate enough to have all three digital tracks. Some houses are bigger than others obviously, and it is in these larger houses, that the prints will first be shown, then moved down to other, smaller houses, as they "play out". Because the S.D.D.S. system relies on its information being picked up from the outside edges of the film, the very area most likely to first be damaged (due to gate-trap friction, misaligned rollers, ect.) is it not reasonable to suggest that the larger houses be equipped with S.D.D.S systems, the next smaller houses with S.R.D. systems and finally the smallest houses with D.T.S, systems (the D.T.S. relying only on a coarse time-code - not audio, thus being the least susceptible to scratch)? Obviously, conditions will vary, according to the requirements of each print, thus this is suggested only as a general guideline. I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thank you.
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Manny Knowles
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posted 05-17-2002 12:56 AM
I would equip for Dolby and DTS in the largest house(s)...I prefer DTS, but the disks don't always ship immediately with the print, so you would then use Dolby as a backup (or in those cases when the movie isn't offered in DTS).The drawback to this approach (given your example) is that it would then leave at least one house as "analog-only." Real-world: Largest Houses - Dolby Midsize - DTS (due to disc delays) Small Theatres - SDDS By the time your discs arrive, they'll be in the mid-size DTS houses. I see your concerns with the potential vulnerability of SDDS data, but my experience was that they held up pretty good (assuming they play right when they're new). Alas, I'm hearing more and more that SDDS experiences dropouts even with new prints nowadays. An SDDS system is very costly. Frankly, I would "pass" on the format. Use the money to get 3 DTS systems (cost is about the same) and do this: Largest screen - Dolby + DTS Next 5 screens - Dolby Smallest 4 screens - DTS ------------------ ~Manny. Now...where was I ? Leonard Shelby, MEMENTO.
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Ian Price
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posted 05-17-2002 11:56 AM
As an owner/operator of an Art House, the only answer is Dolby Digital in all houses. It looks as though we will achive that goal if we aquire another theatre. Financing remains an issure though.To further explain, most Art Films come with the Dolby Digital track. Very few come with the SDDS track. And although most films have DTS time code, very few come with discs. So Dolby Wins. If DTS did more with subtitling and Open Captioning then they would have an advantage. But so far these options are not wide spread.
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Manny Knowles
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posted 05-17-2002 03:16 PM
I prefer the convenience of Dolby (data-on-fillm) and its superior performance over SDDS makes it almost a no-brainer. Unfortunately, equipping every screen with Dolby Digital is an ideal that remains out reach for a lot of cinema owners: Installing Dolby Digital can be pricey (but SDDS costs even more).If money is no object and the staff is good, then I believe that premiere houses should have DTS ready-to-go as the first choice if the discs are available with Dolby Digital as a fallback if DTS isn't an option (or if the discs are late). DTS is not only an excellent system, it is also the least expensive of the three digital systems available. I'm slowly working my way to having all houses DTS-equipped (with some Dolby's, too). ------------------ ~Manny. Now...where was I ? Leonard Shelby, MEMENTO.
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Rick Long
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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posted 05-18-2002 09:00 PM
Thank you for your replies. I agree with pretty well all of them. Sorry that I was not clear in my original post. This situation (6 SRD sets, 2 D.T.S. and 2 S.D.D.S) is not for planned booths, but in existance in many of our existing booths. (I had no part in choosing this set-up, honest!) I guess what I was asking is, given this combination, the logical set-up to ensure the best chance of proper digital performance. Many of the booth personel here are reluctant to change digital units from one theatre to another (even with the docker system).
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Scott Norwood
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posted 05-19-2002 12:40 AM
Assuming that the analog systems in every house in the multiplex were top-notch and I wanted to spend the $$$ for digital, I'd put SR-D in every screen, mostly because there are so many films which do not have either DTS or SDDS tracks, yet have SR-D.If I wanted a second format for the larger houses, I'd probably go with SDDS for an 8-channel installation or DTS for a 5.1 installation. If I had one or more 70mm-capable houses, I'd go with DTS as the secondary format (with DTS-70 readers and redundant units). Of course, I'd have the 70mm mag stuff, too. (but it would probably never be used) My personal feeling is that SDDS doesn't really make sense except for 8-channel houses. DTS sounds the best to my ears, but SR-D is a very, very close second in sound quality and has better title availability and doesn't require receiving the disks.
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Rick Long
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posted 05-19-2002 01:20 AM
Brad, sorry, I don't have the actual seating capacities in front of me, but let's say, for the purposes of this discussion that: Theatres 1 & 2 are 400 seats each, Theatres 3 and 4 are 300 seats Theatres 5 through 8 are 200 seats Theatres 9 and 10 are 100 seats. This question, by the way, involves several theatres, not just oneAgain, this is an existing situation in many of our houses, and I am not afforded the luxury of changing the equipment. The 6, 2 and 2 formula I mentioned is what I am stuck with. Now, the booth personel situation has changed over the last few years such that anyone that has been working in the booth for two years is a "veteran". Unfortunately,I cannot visit all of our theatres every week to assure the best digital presentation. (Too many times I have gone into booths to find that they are running in optical in maybe half the auditoriums, when a little thinking would have allowed them to present all the features in digital). They are not likely to move these systems around. Such is the world as it presently is and this is beyond my control to change. It is for this reason that I am looking for a "generic" set-up (or allocation of digital processors) that would acheive the best chance of digital sound reproduction in most of our auditioriums (in other words, "The most digital presentation for the buck"). All this, of course, being done site unseen (by me anyways). Again, I thank you all for your advice in this matter.
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