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Topic: DTS vs. Dolby Can you tell the difference?
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John Wilson
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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 05-23-2002 06:21 AM
Average customer? No, I don't believe so.Personally, I can tell the difference at MY THEATRE as I know what's what, our SRD has a much more subtle feel to it and DTS is a bit harsher. Not by much, but I'm in there every day and know the system but I doubt it would be possible for me to walk into another and do the same.
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John Moriarty
Film Handler
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From: Cambridge, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 05-23-2002 06:00 PM
quote: Studios and directors mix the each track differently as well. Some will pay more attention to the DTS track than the Dolby and vise-versa.
Why? What reason is there for not creating a single 5.1 (or 6.1) mix, and making the Dolby Digital and DTS tracks from this? Hope this isn't a dumb question. John
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 05-23-2002 06:00 PM
I think some of the difference has to be in how the sound system is set up. In most theaters I've visited where DTS and Dolby Digital are both in the same rack, I usually prefer the DTS track.I've heard Dolby Digital playback sound really good at a few theaters (the best examples I ever heard were at the deceased GCC Northpark #1 in Dallas, particularly "Crimson Tide" and "The Lion King"). However, I have to say a lot of DTS shows I saw there packed just as much oomph, if not more so. "Apollo 13" was really incredible --it felt like the rocket was taking off in the theater. Really cool. I've also heard Dolby Digital playback that was absolutely horrible. I watched "Kiss the Girls" in a then-brand new THX theater in Wichita Falls, TX run by Carmike. The screen was newly tuned, had a new Dolby CP-500 processor, QSC amps, everything top notch. The sound quality still sucked. I come back up to Lawton, watch the same film again in a different THX auditorium using a Dolby CP-65, DTS-6 and QSC amps --noticeably better quality. Years later, I revisit the film on DVD and listen to it with a higher bitrate (448kb/s) Dolby Digital track and the film sounded good. Some of the differences, I'm sure, have to do with different audio masters being used for the encoding process. I've been less than impressed with some DTS shows; whereas others just simply walloped with really great quality audio. "Casper" of all films goes down as having one of the most walloping balls-to-the-wall DTS mixes I have ever heard. The bass on that one was just incredible. Of the previous posts, I'm pretty surprised at the "DTS is harsher" comments. I usually find the reverse to be true.
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David Baum
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From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 05-23-2002 06:03 PM
well, surprised to see the comments here. first, let's not forget that the LFE channel of DTS is in the surrounds (Cinema DTS) and often "less" pushed up as the LFE in Dolby digital mixes. On the otherhand, DTS mixes often have more bass in the front channels... Also, Dolby combines channels as certain frequencies... DTS remain constantly discrete, full range, on all channels. This can also be heard on dvds, where the DTS track seems often more violent, "more free" and more "demanding" on the system you use, while the dolby tracks often has that same "pumped up" LFE channel... Another reason why it's better at home to listen in the SMALL mode and leave the subwoofers do the job, unless you have VERY LARGE and VERY RARE ( if not very expensive ) speakers...A good rule of thinking is this imho: first, the mix itself. then the codec. a bad mix won't transform itself into a superb mix just because dts or sdds is used. but a good mix will sound better when switching from dolby to dts...
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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 05-23-2002 07:22 PM
Someone would have to calibrate each system very carefully to do a valid A-B listening test. Even just a slight difference in levels or EQ, or a cinema processor with a little "noise" in the signal path or something, would possibly be enough to skew the results. And you would want to be able to switch format on the fly.So having said all that, I really can't notice any difference. Sometimes if I don't know what the format is, I'll try to guess, then ask them later, and I often turn out to be wrong. In the early days of digital sound it seemed like dropouts were the best clue. DTS almost never had dropouts, even from the beginning. SR-D seems to have gotten a LOT better in that department since it first came out (why did SR-D almost always have dropouts at reel change splices in the early days? Has improved software helped mask dropouts?). I remember the first time I found out I had just sat through a movie in SDDS (which I thought sounded excellent), but I was sure it had to be DTS or SR-D because of the SDDS harshness issue others have commented on (which turns out to be more of an EQ problem than something inherently wrong with SDDS). In a blind A-B comparison with "normal" film sound and properly-calibrated hardware, I bet very few people could tell any difference.
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Phil Hill
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From: Hollywood, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 05-23-2002 08:40 PM
While it is true that the only fair evaluation is to use the same sound system amplifiers, EQ's, speakers, and auditorium...it is not true to use the same EQ settings. Each format should be referenced and EQ'd to the ISO standard.I doubt if anyone could tell the difference. In fact, I think most, if not all, patrons could tell the difference between analog multi-channel and any digital format in a properly set-up theater. Also, I fail to see what the recording of the DTS LFE in the surrounds has to do with anything since the surround speakers only reproduce frequencies far above that range. Excepting of course Special Venue point-source rear/surround speakers. >>> Phil
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