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Topic: Could this STRONG manual override SMPTE guideline ?
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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 190
From: Bangalore, India
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 08-13-2002 11:08 AM
We have a genuine problem resolving what wattage XENON bulb to use for our screen which has a height of 21.5 and width is 51.5.Applying the formula of 5 watts per square foot- we get : 1110 Feet and therefore, 1110 * 5 =5550 Wattage. Also applying, 21.5 * 21.5 * 12, we still find to use a 5500 Watt Xenon bulb. What really put us in doubt is a STRONG XENON Manual which says that Super 80 LAMPHOUSE - S803000/SW - Wattage 3000 - is suitable for screens upto 50' Wide S804200/SW - Wattage 4200 - is suitable for screens upto 60' Wide S807000/SW - Wattage 7000 - is suitable for much larger screens. So, if STRONG were to advise that a 3 KW XENON bulb is enough to illuminate a 50' Wide screen, should it be weighed above other formulas or authorities ? ------------------
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Pat Moore
Master Film Handler
Posts: 363
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-13-2002 01:30 PM
Hi;I have to point out that there are all kinds of disclaimers along with that Strong recommended wattage. First, it assumes a Scope image, a gain screen, fast high quality lenses in what was then "standard" focal lengths, and a newer xenon lamp within its warranted life and at its nominal light output. That chart goes back to when I started in the business and has pretty much remained unchanged. Advertising is one thing and the real world is another. When I set up a theatre specification I tend to be rather conservative. I want a bright image when the lamp has 800 hours on it, flat, scope or otherwise. While a 3kw might provide adequate light under the prescribed conditions, it does not properly account for a Flat image, a matte screen, an old xenon lamp, short focal length lenses, etc. I have nothing against the 5 watts per square foot estimate, I think that's generally comfortable. The exception is top or top & bottom movable masking that makes the flat image larger than the scope picture. Randy -- I'm with you generally, but I do disagree on the benefits of water-cooling. I think keeping the ambient temperature of the film trap area cooler is a great benefit, helping to minimize film flex as it reacts to the light that pours through it. I also sense a phenomenon that the metal pads get a bit "sticky" the hotter they get, and water-cooling helps that problem. I'd water-cool anything 4000W and above, and an insertion-type heat filter would also be in my equipment mix above 3000W. Pat
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 08-13-2002 06:00 PM
Once upon a time...The Strong figures were based on a f/1.7 lens on Pearlescent screen. Remember, every lamphouse manufacturer likes to boast theirs lights the most with the least...if Strong were to use more stringent requirements than other manufacturers, one would mistakenly think the Strong lamphouses put out less light. In your case, however, I would recommend about 6000 watts. Once you get to around 4000 watts, you are going to want a heat filter, that will knock off some of your light...so use 13 as your multiplier rather than 12. Now, if you curve your screen (properly) and install a 1.5-1.7 gain screen...you wattage can drop a bit to say 5000 watts or maybe a tad less. Dropping your wattage will save you on lamps, electricity and focus aggrivation. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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John Walsh
Film God
Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 08-13-2002 06:27 PM
Many years ago, someone wrote to "Road and Track" magazine, saying they had installed several of those devices to increase your car's gas mileage. The writer installed one that claimed to increase your mileage by 40%, another that would increase it by 30%, and two different devices each increasing it by another 20%. The writer noted that, with all these devices he should not only be saving gas, he should actually be producing it.Everyone is on the right track, but I think Steve is totally right about what manufaacturers say in their literature. I'm not saying manufacturers' are lying, just that they are sometimes overly optimistic.
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Pat Moore
Master Film Handler
Posts: 363
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-13-2002 07:29 PM
Optimism's a good thing -- right? Advertising's pretty much the same with all the manufacturers.Anyway, I'm on board with Steve. I tend to think a well setup 5kw system will meet the needs, IF you have a gain screen that's properly curved and good lenses. But I have to note that in my India travels, I never did see a good gain screen installed, and I saw a few theatres around the country. Most of what I looked at closely were "local made". The newer mattes actually looked okay in terms of surface quality, but perforations weren't too hot. Iwould bet this theatre in Bangalore is a flat, matte white surface. Hope I'm wrong -- a good 50ft curved screen would really look nice. Pat
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